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James Brogan was born in 1864 in Beith, his birth is recorded in the old parish records (so not the Catholic records) and his parents were married in Barmill (should be Barrmill?) parish of Beith, "according to the forms of the Free Church of Scotland", in 1856.
Brogan's mother was Mary Dickie, and the minister of the Free Church was Matthew Dickie - not sure if they were related but I'm sad enough that I'd find out if I had more credits with scotlandspeople....
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20-05-2018 10:08 AM #31
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20-05-2018 11:48 AM #34
I suppose an easy distinction (if required) to make between Hibs of 1875 & The Huns pre-Mo Johnston was that our club was set up for the advancement of the young, poor Catholic men of the Cowgate.
Rangers, on the other hand, would happily sign people of any religion - unless you were Roman Catholic. It was a distinctly bigoted policy against one creed.
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20-05-2018 12:01 PM #35
Always been a non sectarian club. I’m sure that I can speak for most Hibs fans when I say that any gun running I did for the IRA was purely to finance my heroin habit. Politics were rarely, if ever, discussed.
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20-05-2018 01:10 PM #36
It all depends on your definition of sectarian. Hibs were formed by Catholics to improve the lot of the Catholic community, you had to be a practising Catholic to be a member .... that's not the same as saying you cant join because you are a protestant, a subtle but important difference.
Two modern examples would be:
The black policeman's association, where by definition you have to be black to join ... yet there's no suggestion they are racist.
The British Legion .... They will accept anybody these days, just so long as you sign a bit of paper saying you owe allegiance to the queen and her crew. Yet there's no suggestion they are discriminating against republicans
The history is very interesting, but what really matters is the here and now and the fact is Hibs haven't had any policy about who plays for the club for well over 100 years .... these days the attitudes of our fan base tend to be driven by the social and political views of the areas its largely drawn from rather than any religious influence, north and east Edinburgh certainly leans slightly more to the left and towards Scottish independence than other parts of the city, so our support reflects that ... but even then not in a particularly 'in yer face' sort of way, and certainly not to the extent that the fans have any notion to use the club as a vehicle for political activism .... unlike some other clubs, who quite frankly should adopt the motto 'look at me' in their badge
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20-05-2018 02:53 PM #37
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I think Nae Nookie sums it up nicely, we don't need to rub our political leanings in other people's faces, but I do view Hibs as a left leaning club as a whole. Obviously, that's not to say there aren't people who think differently in our support, and they're no less of a Hibs fan than myself for their politics. I also like that we can respect and recognise our Irish roots without feeling the need to cynically market and brand our entire club on our links to the old country.
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If you have power or money, and that is threatened because of a change in the labour market or in business, then the pragmatic thing to do is paint somebody as the "other" and the "threat". There are lots of groups we can make as hate targets' should we choose, just depends on who you choose and what the buy-in from the populace is.
The other side is my family were Irish immigrants in the mid-nineteenth century. Like most immigrants they were portrayed by some as a threat. And in fairness, my great-great-relatives probably took rubbish jobs that undercut folk who were born and bred in Edinburgh.
That's what they did to survive. That's what most immigrants do. It's all they can do.
We shouldn't be drawn into conversations that look backwards (while respecting our history). I don't think Canon Hannan would have any issue with where we are trying to go now as a club.
The work of the Hibernian Community Foundation is massive, and under-reported and under-praised. The work around men's health, emotional,physical and mental, looks very successful. It's been a neglected area but one that needs attention.
I'm proud of my club, just as a fan and supporter, but I'm prouder still that we have an ethos that is genuinely about supporting our communities. Our club might have started as a thing to stop young Irish Catholic labourers getting drunk and causing bother in the centre of Edinburgh but it has evolved into something so much more.There's only one thing better than a Hibs calendar and that's two Hibs calendars
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20-05-2018 05:30 PM #40
Could anyone get the link to image shack to work?
Can find any references to either of the publications..."We know the people who have invested so far are simple fans." Vladimir Romanov - Scotsman 10th December 2012
"Romanov was like a breath of fresh air - laced with cyanide." Me.
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On the back of my thread earlier this month ref the latter Diaspora I've done a bit of digging into my forefathers and one or two of the occupation descriptions on birth certificates defy belief in the modern age.
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20-05-2018 06:14 PM #42
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Huns RIP were liquidated and its assets were sold to a new club called Sevco.Mature, sensible signature required for responsible position. Good prospects for the right candidate. Apply within.
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20-05-2018 11:32 PM #50
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