SPL Attendances yesterday

[iwasthere1972]

Hamilton v St Johnstone 2,199

Kilmarnock v Aberdeen 4,997

Motherwell v Falkirk 4,337

St Mirren v Hearts 4,652

Hibernian v Dundee Utd 13,056 Decent turn out

Total 29,241

Pretty miserable figures when you consider that Scotland are meant to be football mad.

All those matches were 3pm kick offs and none of them were live on the tellybox. So we can't even use that as an excuse.

Petrie get it sorted.

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Hamilton v St Johnstone 2,199

Kilmarnock v Aberdeen 4,997

Motherwell v Falkirk 4,337

St Mirren v Hearts 4,652

Hibernian v Dundee Utd 13,056 Decent turn out

Total 29,241

Pretty miserable figures when you consider that Scotland are meant to be football mad.

All those matches were 3pm kick offs and none of them were live on the tellybox. So we can't even use that as an excuse.

Petrie get it sorted.

United had adecent support with them for a change.

[iwasthere1972]

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United had adecent support with them for a change.

They did indeed. But the other attendances were basically miserable. That's not a summing up of well fans either.

[Phil D. Rolls]

Disappointing figures in a Scottish and British context. However, I wonder how they compare to some of the other leagues in Europe. I bet French clubs won't get much more than the SPL, and some would bite your hand off for attendances like the one at ER.

[aljo7-0]

The recession has got to be a factor (I know I'm having to pick my games this year due to money concerns) but I wonder if the standard of football in the league is an issue too, as most games seems to end up as a bit of a war of artrittion in midfield with 2 teams trying to cancel out the other rather than playing the football needed to win games.

[joe breezy]

There's only a few clubs in Scotland that can get a decent home support; Rangers, Celtic, Hibs, Aberdeen and Hearts

Now and then, with success Dundee or Dundee United could get over 10 000 and there was a time when Partick Thistle could attract over 10 000 too

But not sure those days will ever return. Shame so many support Rangers and Celtic

[LancashireHibby]

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There's only a few clubs in Scotland that can get a decent home support; Rangers, Celtic, Hibs, Aberdeen and Hearts

Now and then, with success Dundee or Dundee United could get over 10 000 and there was a time when Partick Thistle could attract over 10 000 too

But not sure those days will ever return. Shame so many support Rangers and Celtic

Surely the sheep can command a decent support as well?

That Hamilton crowd would scrape in to the top five non-league attendances in England yesterday, utter shambles.

[joe breezy]

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Surely the sheep can command a decent support as well?

That Hamilton crowd would scrape in to the top five non-league attendances in England yesterday, utter shambles.

Indeed, I edited my first post when I realised I missed them out

Somehow English clubs do get much bigger crowds and that is in places that don't have big populations. Whilst Man U and Liverpool get a fair share of glory hunters I don't think it's anything as bad as what we get with Rangers and Celtic

[TheEastTerrace]

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Hamilton v St Johnstone 2,199

Kilmarnock v Aberdeen 4,997

Motherwell v Falkirk 4,337

St Mirren v Hearts 4,652

Hibernian v Dundee Utd 13,056 Decent turn out

Total 29,241

Pretty miserable figures when you consider that Scotland are meant to be football mad.

All those matches were 3pm kick offs and none of them were live on the tellybox. So we can't even use that as an excuse.

Petrie get it sorted.

Boring league format
High ticket prices
Poor standard of football

Pretty much sums it up for me.

[HibeeUnderwood]

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Hamilton v St Johnstone 2,199

Kilmarnock v Aberdeen 4,997

Motherwell v Falkirk 4,337

St Mirren v Hearts 4,652

Hibernian v Dundee Utd 13,056 Decent turn out

Total 29,241

Pretty miserable figures when you consider that Scotland are meant to be football mad.

All those matches were 3pm kick offs and none of them were live on the tellybox. So we can't even use that as an excuse.

Petrie get it sorted.

Blame everything on the tache! Love it!

[givescotlandfreedom]

Interesting to see half of those at an SPL game yesterday were at Easter Road.

[Phil D. Rolls]

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The recession has got to be a factor (I know I'm having to pick my games this year due to money concerns) but I wonder if the standard of football in the league is an issue too, as most games seems to end up as a bit of a war of artrittion in midfield with 2 teams trying to cancel out the other rather than playing the football needed to win games.

Watching MOTD, and MOTD2 I couldn't help notice a lot of empty seats, even at the likes of Arsenal. Are tickets just too dear, or is there too much footy on TV these days?

[Joe Baker II]

Regarding Hamilton I cannot help thinking they understate attendances - at recent Hibs game I was astonished there were officially over 2,000 empty seats. Suspect something similar this week.

Other crowds look indefensible and clearly show prices too high. 5,000 seriously poor for St Mirren Hearts and Killiie-Dons games - I would suggest over 2,000 were deterred by consistently high prices (generally, not neccesarily the prices for those particular games) for both games.

As someone said happening all over Europe. Much made of only 41,000 at Parkhead for high profile game v Rapid Wien but think only the holders Shaktar Donetsk have had a higher crowd in the Europa League this season. And increasingly few believe official crowd figures for English Premiership clubs.

[Hibbyradge]

29000, eh?

OFGTF.

[MB62]

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There's only a few clubs in Scotland that can get a decent home support; Rangers, Celtic, Hibs, Aberdeen and Hearts

Now and then, with success Dundee or Dundee United could get over 10 000 and there was a time when Partick Thistle could attract over 10 000 too

But not sure those days will ever return. Shame so many support Rangers and Celtic

I don't see the big problem as being the number of people from outside the weeg that 'support' the bigot brothers. IMO the bigger problem is those parents who have leanings towards the OF but never go to the games. They bring up their offsprings to be junior bigots but never take them to the games. These are bairns who are probably very interested in fitba, playing it at school and for clubs etc, turning up with their rantic tops on, but have never been to a game in their lives. These kids could and should be going along to see their local team, whether that's Hibs, Yams, Aberdeen, Forfar or whoever, but they are lost to the game.
In my section of the road where I stay, there must be at least three families in that catagory, who have brought up their kids as rantic supporters but never set foot inside a football ground from one season to the next. I think at least two of them should be going along to Easter Road but they presently contribute nothing to the game, other than buying dodgers tops, money that should be getting spent in the Hibs shop.

OFGTF

[Hibercelona]

Out of 5,000,000 people in Scotland.... Under 30,000 attend non old firm games.

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I don't see the big problem as being the number of people from outside the weeg that 'support' the bigot brothers. IMO the bigger problem is those parents who have leanings towards the OF but never go to the games. They bring up their offsprings to be junior bigots but never take them to the games. These are bairns who are probably very interested in fitba, playing it at school and for clubs etc, turning up with their rantic tops on, but have never been to a game in their lives. These kids could and should be going along to see their local team, whether that's Hibs, Yams, Aberdeen, Forfar or whoever, but they are lost to the game.
In my section of the road where I stay, there must be at least three families in that catagory, who have brought up their kids as rantic supporters but never set foot inside a football ground from one season to the next. I think at least two of them should be going along to Easter Road but they presently contribute nothing to the game, other than buying dodgers tops, money that should be getting spent in the Hibs shop.

OFGTF

I think a lot of it has to do with money.

Parents just don't have the money to take their children to see their local teams.

Perhaps if ticket prices were cheaper, we'd see a rise in local team supports.

When you're a kid, its easys just to follow the teams at the top, because you're never going to see your local team play.

[iwasthere1972]

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Out of 5,000,000 people in Scotland.... Under 30,000 attend non old firm games.

That figure doesn't of course include divisions 1, 2 and 3. At a pure guess you could probably double it.

Speaking personally it was much easier for me to attend Hibs games as a 10 year old kid. My dad wasn't into football and I didn't depend on him for away matches either. Even at the relatively young age of 11 years old I managed to get myself to Ibrox (in the wrong end I should add) and back safely. It was also the days when you could get a lift over so all you needed was your bus fares and money for a pie.

£15 should be the maximum anyone is asked to pay to see SPL matches. That's all it's worth in my view. Saying that I would gladly pay double that to see us cuff the Yams ay Tynie like we did in Maka's first game for us a couple of seasons ago. Well worth the spondoolies.

[ChrissyG1875]

all the spl games on saterday put together was less than at Pride Park Shocking!

[Just Jimmy]

The product (and it is that) is gash.

[Hibercelona]

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That figure doesn't of course include divisions 1, 2 and 3. At a pure guess you could probably double it.

No danger do about 30,000 people in total go to division 1,2 & 3 games.

I couldnt even imagine 10,000.

[modsquad]

The product is poor and ticket prices are a disgrace.

Someone on JKB recently said they had been on holiday in Italy and had gone to a Lazio game and paid 15 Euros for a decent ticket. He then went to Fiorentina/Athletico Madrid in the Champions League qualifiers and paid 8 Euros to watch the game.

The prices in British football are a disgrace. It costs more to go and watch Altrincham in the Conference than it does to see a Champions League qualifier. That says there is something wrong with the prices in this country.

Ticket prices in Germany are also extremely reasonable.

Unfortunately I can't see either the product or pricing structure changing so.

[Hibercelona]

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The product is poor and ticket prices are a disgrace.

Someone on JKB recently said they had been on holiday in Italy and had gone to a Lazio game and paid 15 Euros for a decent ticket. He then went to Fiorentina/Athletico Madrid in the Champions League qualifiers and paid 8 Euros to watch the game.

The prices in British football are a disgrace. It costs more to go and watch Altrincham in the Conference than it does to see a Champions League qualifier. That says there is something wrong with the prices in this country.

Ticket prices in Germany are also extremely reasonable.

Unfortunately I can't see either the product or pricing structure changing so.

We're all suckers really...

We complain about the prices.... yet, we keep on paying anyway.

It's our own fault that prices are so high.

[bingo70]

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We're all suckers really...

We complain about the prices.... yet, we keep on paying anyway.

It's our own fault that prices are so high.

Whats the option though?

Everyone would love it to be cheaper and the clubs would love there to be more fans in the ground but whenever any club has tried to reduce the costs it hasn't worked.

Fans want to see the best players, the best players cost lots of money and other than gate receipts there isn't too many other ways the club can make money so need to maximise it.

I'd have a much bigger problem with the ticket prices if clubs were rolling in cash, but as it is, most clubs are crippled with debt losing money every year so i just don't see how it's feesable to expect clubs to lower ticket prices.

[Hibercelona]

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Whats the option though?

Everyone would love it to be cheaper and the clubs would love there to be more fans in the ground but whenever any club has tried to reduce the costs it hasn't worked.

Fans want to see the best players, the best players cost lots of money and other than gate receipts there isn't too many other ways the club can make money so need to maximise it.

I'd have a much bigger problem with the ticket prices if clubs were rolling in cash, but as it is, most clubs are crippled with debt losing money every year so i just don't see how it's feesable to expect clubs to lower ticket prices.

The reason clubs are losing money is because they are spending money on players that they can currently afford to have at the club.

If clubs were wiser and budgeted their money... they would have the money to bring in better quality in the future.

But as it is with British clubs.... when they want something, they must have it right now... regardless of how much debt it will get them into.

Football clubs buying players... are like women going out to buy shoes. ..... they see something they like... and pull out the credit card.

Hibs have been sensible over the last decade.... the quality has been far from rotton (although it has sometimes).... and we are definatly making progress, and it won't be long until the club is into the profit figures.

But I bet the ticket prices won't drop....

[bingo70]

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The reason clubs are losing money is because they are spending money on players that they can currently afford to have at the club.

If clubs were wiser and budgeted their money... they would have the money to bring in better quality in the future.

But as it is with British clubs.... when they want something, they must have it right now... regardless of how much debt it will get them into.

Football clubs buying players... are like women going out to buy shoes. ..... they see something they like... and pull out the credit card.

Hibs have been sensible over the last decade.... the quality has been far from rotton (although it has sometimes).... and we are definatly making progress, and it won't be long until the club is into the profit figures.

But I bet the ticket prices won't drop....

If clubs spent less on the playing budget and reduced the ticket prices, then the quality of player wouldn't be there which in turn would have an effect on the entertainment value which will then lead to people not going back, which takes us back to square one.

Obviously the answer to this is to bring through quality young cheap players, however thats not some great secret, every club is trying to do that already.

I don't know what the answer is BTW, i just think if it was just as simple as lowering prices then clubs would have done it before now.

[Hibercelona]

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If clubs spent less on the playing budget and reduced the ticket prices, then the quality of player wouldn't be there which in turn would have an effect on the entertainment value which will then lead to people not going back, which takes us back to square one.

Obviously the answer to this is to bring through quality young cheap players, however thats not some great secret, every club is trying to do that already.

I don't know what the answer is BTW, i just think if it was just as simple as lowering prices then clubs would have done it before now.

Get a Vlad to take over our club?

[bingo70]

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Get a Vlad to take over our club?

I know thats definately not the answer

[Hibercelona]

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I know thats definately not the answer

What about an Arab?

[weecounty hibby]

Peoples circumstances change also. I hardly missed a game home or away for probably 20 odd years. The last season that I had a ST was Mowbrays last. I now only attend a handfull of games a year. I would go to more games if the prices were lower as a day at ER with my son would cost me £50 that I just cannot justify at this time. This includes tickets, travel, food and usually a trip to the shop.