Very happy I must say with Wales display yesterday, tho it must be said the Scots are piss poor and it's difficult to see where they'll score tries from. I've been a particular admirer of James Hook for a while and it's easy to see why, he'll go a long way in international rugby I'm sure. The Irish also showed encouraging signs in defeat to France that things'll get better for them. Today I don't really see England having too many problems in Rome, Italy'll make a fist of it, but England'll be far too strong.
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10-02-2008 10:06 AM #31
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10-02-2008 04:58 PM #32
I find the Scotland rugby team cringeworthy to watch. I went to the Italy game last year when they scored 3 tries in the first 4 minutes, never seen anything like it
Watched most of the French game and some of yesterday and Scotlands handling and passing are piss poor and never really look like scoring a try.
Correct me if im wrong but the only teams Scotland score tries against are against the likes of Romania or other such minnows, who are only in the World Cup to boost the numbers.
Would not be shocked if Scotland finish last
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10-02-2008 07:25 PM #33This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
The Wooden Spoon is definitely on the cards this season. Can see Hadden getting his jotters if so.
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10-02-2008 08:07 PM #34
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The main problem with the rugby is that there is still the obvious money talks scenario.
Good local lads are being omitted due to the cult class in preferrence to private school well to be lads.
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10-02-2008 09:49 PM #35This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
As i said Hadden took as to where we expected but the rugby on show is tripe and the aim for every manager should be to better yourself. If scotland only look like scoring a try against non minnow nations and not our rivals, then i dont see how they can improve.
Dont get me wrong im not a huge rugby fan, but i despair at seeing Scotland underperform at anything and the fact they cant handle or pass well is a woeful trait.
England may be pish but id still tip them to win.
Bring Back Gavin Hastings
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10-02-2008 10:27 PM #36This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Yes, rugby is more commonly found in private schools - in certain areas of the country. Are there many private schools in the borders? No! Are there many rugby players in the Borders? YES! That is an area of the country that is often viewed as the traditional rugby heartland, yet economically it doesn't exactly shine.
You also make out that players are picked based upon what school they come from....... have you had a loom at the national U16, U17 squads etc, there seem to be more players from state schools than private schools. So your argument that players are picked on their school means litle in that context.
Look at scottish prem 1, of the 12 teams, 4 are based upon private schools. BUT, these teams have only got better since they have been opened up to non FPs.
You don't hear people at the private schools complaining at a lack of opportunity to play for scotland at football?
Maybe i'm judging you wrong, but you seem to have just come out with a "Bah, rugby is only for the rich, no-one else gets a fair crack at it" which is a silly mentality that doesn't ring true these days.
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11-02-2008 08:31 PM #37
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I know I might be a bit biased but there were guys in that squad purely because they had Stewart's Melville/Heriots/Watsons after their name. The majority went on do little in the game - there were exceptions like Gordon Ross, Marcus Di Rollo but the rest barely played 1st XV senior rugby.
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11-02-2008 08:49 PM #38This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
by the sounds of it my brother might have played in the same lothian schools side as you, possibly the age group below though, anyway he used to talk of having a similiar experience to that of yours.
hopefully scotlands pish performance in recent years might get to the root of the real problem which definately isnt the coach, scottish rugby's been a mess for years, however no chance of it changing as the most influential people in the game are in the commitees that need replacing, turkeys voting for christmas springs to mind
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But i agree with what you have said, and it was definately a bad selection policy at the time. However what Ants said was completely unfounded these days.
You would be better qualified to tell me, but when you were in the Lothian Schools side, how many schools in and around edinburgh were playing rugby (state schools)?
I watched Scotland v Wales U20 on friday night (there were a few ex Private school players mind, though if they are in the newcastle academy or playing in the Harlequins academy then they are probably good talents, no matter the school). And one of the prime differences was that the majority of the welsh team were getting game time in the Celtic league, in comparison with Scotland where most of the boys were just playing amateur rugby every week.
That is why having the Borders still around would've been good, they could have acted as a development side, the likes of Cusiter, kelly Brown, De Luca (i know his international experiences haven't been great so far) etc wouldn't have got a pro contract elsewhere. So having a pro team giving these guys a stage has allowed them to hit the scotland scene.
It would also give me a chance to go watch them every week, as i cba with empty murrayfield.
Good to have a rugby thread on here without the normal pish being spouted (except from above )Last edited by hibsboy90; 11-02-2008 at 09:53 PM.
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12-02-2008 07:25 AM #40
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My mum's still got the team sheets in her house somewhere - I'll need to have a look again but I reckon there were about 5/22 of my Lothian Schools team that went on to play rugby at a reasonable level, i.e. Prem 1 or 2. And 3 out of that 5 were the State Schools guys! Given those stats I just think that if the State School kids were given more encouragement then they'd stick at rugby for longer. Maybe the Private boys get bored with rugby quicker because they play it every day at school?
And I agree it's good to read a rugby thread on here that's got (at the moment) some sensible chat in it.
* off the top of my head: PL, Trinity, Musselburgh, Lasswade, Porty, Craigmount, Leith, North Berwick, Dunbar, Ross High, Currie, Haddington
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at last something you know about cos you know **** all about football
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12-02-2008 10:56 AM #42
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Especially considering it's only a couple of weeks until your next birthday.
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20-02-2008 01:53 PM #43This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
and don't forget it
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20-02-2008 06:37 PM #44This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
When I played for Boroughmuir many centuries ago, the Edinburgh Schools team consisted solely of Heriots Watson Stew Mel Merchiston lads.
That's how I never got a mention.
Well that's how I remember it.
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20-02-2008 09:04 PM #45
parks has been nowhere near the best stand off in Scotland this season. I go to edinburgh games and Godman deserves a chance to make up for his **** ups against Italy last year.
Hadden has shown his desperation now with the selection of paterson at stand off. As most ex players have screamed over the last few years for Chris to be played at 10, hadden has stuck his head in the sand. now he is up ***** creek without a paddle he brings Paterson in to a team struggling for confidence and likely to be on the end of another heavy defeat.
Haddens time is up and I'm surprised he has changed his philosophy from his days with edinburgh when the ball got thrown out wide. scotland will lose by 20+ points on Saturday
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20-02-2008 09:19 PM #46
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The only time he got a run at stand-off was a couple of years back (and enven then it was only 2 or 3 games) was when they made him captain as well and stuck all the weight of our pishness on his shoulders in one go. It might to be too late for him now to make his mark at stand off unfortunately.
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in that game although the excecution of his play was poor he was playing in this high risk way as that was his instructions before the game, would love PG to get another chance to show he's good enough.
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21-02-2008 07:29 AM #48
To be fair, Dan Parks had a very good World Cup, and has been outstanding for Glasgow this season - he has kicked well for them in Magners and Heineken Cup games as well as contributing with tries. He can only be judged on those games, hence why he was been playing at 10.
It's amazing how quickly people forget things about people they really like (Paterson's performance at 10 during the World Cup anyone?) and how quickly they are prepared to have a go at one player after making one single mistake (Parks in the game against France for example, the crowd sounded almost pleased that he'd ****ed up).
Certainly I don't think Parks is the complete 10, nor is Paterson and Godman has a lot to prove. I just think all three should get the same standard of praise and criticism from all fans.
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