You might have to take out the 4th line of the 3rd paragraph though... :greengrin
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What's the deal with voting regarding letting this newco into the football league at any level.
Do all the SPL clubs and SFL clubs vote or is it just the SFL clubs...or is it just the clubs who's league will be letting a new club in?
What percentages are needed to let them in? Could a no vote from a percentage of clubs basically leave rangers with nowhere to play?
Sorry for the questions but its quite hard to follow. Its as if its turning into a clubs vs associations situation.
Their vision for Scottish League Football, yesterday, today, and tomorrow: 4 Rangers v Celtic games per season. How can we have minimum disruption to this?
We could have a nuclear strike on our country and those buffoons would be crawling from the wreckage muttering, 'right...how are we going to get four Old Firm games...'
Their utopia would be 36 X OF games per season in the SPL and all the rest can sort themselves out in the other divisions. Pair of jokers who are trying to con every single fan of every single club in Scotland. Thankfully it looks like the "wee" clubs seem to have some balls and are standing up to them
All SFL clubs vote on any amendments to their structure. As is stands there are 30 clubs as we don't know who is going to SPL.
For a change to succeed a 75% majority is required. Therefore, if 1 club moves to SPL and 29 are left then Newco will require
22 votes in their favour to get in to SFL3.
SPL clubs don't vote on SFL business and vice-versa that is why the SPL broke away in the first place.
The SFL clubs always appear to reflect the overall fans views in their own ambitions for Scottish football - and the SPL clubs
appear to do anything Celtic/Rangers want.
This new club may well end up plying its trade in Div 3 next season - if it is very lucky. It certainly seems unlikely that it will be accepted into SFL 1.
If they go to 3 or out altogether for a period we will all be relieved and feel that justice has been done. But I'm afraid that this episode covering the slow motion car crash that is the fall of Rangers has seen taking place in parallel what I regard to be a far greater, deeper and more damaging scandal.
The people who run Scottish football have been definitively exposed in an irrecoverable way. The game is a sham. The rules are a sham. The fans are regarded as zombie bodies to be kept barely alive so that the parasites can suck our financial blood for as long as possible.
This isn't going away. This is just the beginning.
What an excellent, well considered response. I don't agree with it all but the logic and calm tone puts the original document to shame. Once the SPL and SFL have all voted NO to Newco and the threatened SPL2 is thrown out as a discredited piece of crap, Regan & Doncaster should RESIGN or be FIRED. They have been found out for either being corrupt or utterly incompetent. What a complete mess.
I'm trying to copy / paste this and do it all without a 3G connection, so apologies if this doesn't work.
As stated before in other posts, I am involved with an SFL Club, but I am a lifelong Hibs fan.
We, in the SFL, have had a gun placed to our heads and this document leaked to the BBC recently is really a disgrace. It's scaremongering at best, morally bankrupt at worst!
We have spent a long time thinking out a carefully written response across the Board members. It's a strong view on the situation we find ourselves in today in Scottish football.
It's strong and clear and to the point. We cannot lie down to Stewart Regan and Neil Doncaster's rushed proposals, whether we are Hibs or an SFL Club?
They should both step down on Tuesday at Hampden. If no-one beats me to it, I'll demand they do.
http://www.clydefc.co.uk/news/2012/06/30/4134/
Is it clear who was behind the proposal i.e was it all the SPL clubs or a cobbled together view of SPL/SFA or a particular committee etc. Reason I ask is that when it was being released Stuart Milne came out with a statement that Rangers should be treated like any other club.
I think there is a lot of needless panic on this thread.
Rangers are dead in the water as regards the SPL with at least seven clubs against them now that St Mirren have joined the no camp.
Their player exodus has panned out as expected with Bocanegra and Edu joining the others.The former is officially undecided but has declared he would not transfer if Rangers were not in the SPL. If that is not bad enough for Rangers, Kirk Broadfoot has turned up for preseason training.
The SFL clubs are coming out against Rangers in numbers as may be expected as they are community clubs and more likely to be in closer touch with the wishes of their supporters. So far we have Dunfermline, Partick, Morton, Falkirk, Raith, Peterhead and Clyde. Only one more is needed to block the move. Two clubs - Airdrie United and Albion Rovers - will miss out on promotion if Rangers are parachuted into Division One.
The document was certainly written on the basis of information suppliedby the SPL and appears to have Doncaster's sticky fingerprints all over it. The panic was created by the BBC reports to the effect that it was a done deal. The BBC reports, with the exception of those by Jim Spence have danced to Doncaster's tune throughout.
Nae panic as far as I'm concerned, if it does happen tae go the wrong way then it's :bye: I just want it resolved one way or the other and tae see it officially. That way I'll ken whether I'll be going tae the fitba next season or not. I winnae make a move tae spend my money though until it's a done deal.
After it's done and dusted I'd like tae see moves for all those involved in this shameless scheming tae be removed, particularly that ******* doncaster
I think this is critical, and I think you're right.
The "Document" was so appalling I find it very difficult to believe it was sanctioned by the collective SPL Chairmen. If you look a the statements put out by the majority of clubs, it is completely at odds with the tone and the content, which has generally been one of considered realism. The one issused last week was the diametric opposite. Can you really believe the 'tache would put his name to that? Have we ever seen anything even faintly similar in the years he's been at ER? I also think Regan is away at the moment. (Having seen the other stuff Regan has been invoved in within the SFA which I think is very good - the "Scotland United" plan is good, if not somewhat ironic given the current circumstances - it is also completely at odds with the considered and, for the most part, sensible stuff he has issued).
I think Doncaster is the man to blame here, fairly and squarely. It is primarily an SPL document, and I think it does bear his hallmarks of panic and tunnel vision when it comes to the Hun.
Calls for peoples heads is, as this stage premature. The only source I've seen about Petrie/Green was a report on STV without any substance as to the content of the meeting. We dont know if he was wearing a Hibs, SFA or SPL hat. We dont know what th emeeting was about, but we have rushed to 2+2 equalling 4, and condemning without sufficient evidence. I hasten to add, that if the document does turn out to have been an SFA/SPL official thing and Petrie and Regan were either driving forces behind it then their position is clearly untenable.
Despite the easy "they're all corrupt" approach, there are lots of very good people employed by the SFA at all levels, and the change has been visible in the last couple of years below the level of the Professional game, and even there the introduction of the Professional Game Board has wiped away the old committee system in a bonfire of the blazers.
If there are capable people in place, then the turmoil that will follow whatever happens to the Huns is going to need them to manage the game through.
Knee jerk reactions - even if they turn out ultimately to be right, are generally not the best for long term success in any field.
The key thing for me in that document is the complete lack of justification or evidence for any of the "facts" mentioned. Figures being spouted which have been exposed as sheer bluster on other sites and this "financial meltdown" phrase. SFL clubs have survived for long enough on a shoestring. If Rangers end up playing in D3 - if at all - then that can only have a positive financial impact on them.
I see that Newco have issued a statement saying that they have cancelled all Direct Debits for STs due to the confusion about where the money was going. It seems that they are banking with the Metro Bank. No, I've never heard of it either.
Great post Mr Cairpets! :aok:
I really hope you are right in that this has been driven by Doncaster, and that our leader had nothing to do with this scandalous document.
The threatening of the SFL clubs was completely beyond belief, and I don't believe for a second that Rod Petrie would be involved in condoning this shambolic "document".
I agree about it being scandalous but if doncaster is out there on his own agenda with this then I'd like tae ken why we've heard nothing from the SPL chairmen after the issue of that outrageous document came tae light and why he hasnae been brought tae book by the people he's supposed tae be working for. If the SPL clubs have nae involvement in this then then I'd like tae hear that (otherwise the suspicion remains) and they should get that **** tae **** out the door.