Like Fyvie but think Bartley will be a massive player for us next season. Would like to keep both but if had to pick one would defo be Bartley. Also 100% right decision for FF to come off today.
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Like Fyvie but think Bartley will be a massive player for us next season. Would like to keep both but if had to pick one would defo be Bartley. Also 100% right decision for FF to come off today.
There is an unbelievable amount of guff on this thread :bitchy:
Our formation was clearly causing us problems and Lennon decided to move to a 4-4-2. Someone had to be sacrificed. IMO it was Fyvie purely because he'd been booked.
Funnily enough - if he'd taken off our poorest performer at that moment I reckon it would have been McGinn who barely found a green shirt with a pass all day!
Holt did well but it was our change of formation that made the biggest difference rather than the names of those who were switched.
FF is a proper footballer and I really hope he stays. All this comparing him and Bartley is ridiculous. They offer completely different things to the team and we need both. Marv was one of our best performers today though.
Full marks to the team as a whole today for fighting their way back despite few performing at the level they can.
Thought the midfield was shocking up until we changed it.
Really like Fraser as a player and feel we miss him when he doesn't play. If I'm honest some hibs fans will never take to him and is the go to player to call out when the TEAM under performs.
He'll pick his head up after a disappointing effort today cause that's the type of player he is. Never hides
How come?
The first half hour was brutal, Aberdeen were invited to do as they pleased and we offered absolutely no threat. The midfield was a joke: no shape, urgency, or desire to make themselves available for a pass. They looked a class below Aberdeen and I'm probably not the only person who was worried about a gulf in quality between Championship and Premiership teams at his point.
Bartley, McGeouch and to a lesser extent McGinn all improved as the game went on but Fyvie was only on the park for that horrible half an hour and so his performance can surely fairly be described as terrible? Or did you think he was playing much better than the rest of the team at this point?
All you fyvie dislikers will be happy as I understand from a friend of a friend he's off.
I said that the same could have been said of many of the players at that point.
Overall though I'm not that keen on him. I don't think he's a bad player, and I have missed a lot of games this season (so maybe I've missed his better games) but from what I've seen I don't think he influences games as much as our other midfielders.
Are all the Fyvie dislikers meant to be feel all happy and justified in their criticism now?
He's been poor since the turn of the year. Sulked today when he was hooked but given the improvement it was clearly the right decision.
A decent player, but he'll be on a good wage and if we can use that to get a better balance in the squad then I'll be happy enough. The fact we started with four central midfielders today, three of whom hadn't scored a goal prior to McGeough scoring today, shows just how imbalanced our squad is imo.
What does he do well? Can't pass, doesn't challenge for a header, doesn't tackle. For a central midlfied player he doesn't have it. I know folk like him but break it down and tell us what he brings that Marv, Dylan, SJM brings us? Poor mans Marv imo
He cant have been match fit. I like him and as far as today went subbed for a player who scored and set one up. Bartley coyld have been hooked but had a good second half so no complaints.
theres no hibs player that splits opinion like fyvie. He's not as bad as some make out but nowhere near as good as others like to think . he's pretty average , has the odd good game but nothing spectacular . the cup final was 1 of his better games and he is a legend for that but i dont think we'd have much trouble replacing him.
Fyvie is the better all round player than Bartley, but it was the right decision to take him off today for two reasons. The first is that he'd been booked, and the second is that Bartley is the better defender which was what was required to give our full backs and other midfielders the freedom to go forward.
Whilst I'd like to keep Fyvie, it's patently obvious that our midfield doesn't work with him and Bartley together. We're going to need Bartley next season for the big games, so the question then is whether we keep Fyvie (probably one of our higher earners) to replace him against teams that want to sit in. I'm leaning towards him not signing a new deal, particularly after being taken off so early. It won't be any consolation to Fyvie that it was the right decision.
As he said during the week. Least he'll be sitting with his pals at the final.
It's been said umpteen times that Fyvie and Bartley can't play together and this was the case again today, after half an hour the majority of the team were rank but in the midfield Bartley was the one midfielder who looked like he was at least up for the battle.
At this point you have a choice of 2 players to sub for Holt, Barley or Fyvie and due to Bartley playing better Fyvie had to go off, no way was McGinn or Dylan being hooked as we needed their drive and directness to get the ball up to Holt and Cummings.
Fyvie hasn't been great for quite a while now apart from maybe last week, maybe the contract uncertainty has been playing on his mind.
Here's how I see it.
You play either Fyvie or Bartley. Fyvie is a control the midfield and pass it about type. Bartley is an enforcer.
Next year, I'd rather see hibs control games by passing the ball and controlling the midfield as opposed to knocking players off the ball. There's a time and the place for both but they type of football we should be playing calls for a control and pass type of player.
Fraser Fyvie is a Scottish Cup winning hibs legend who deserves more respect than he gets. He got subbed today because the formation was wrong. It was nothing to do with how he was performing as the whole team up till that point had been brutal. Let's not over analyse things here.
I have really liked Fyvie since I first saw him. He has had a few bad games this season but under Stubbs I thought he was one of our most consistent players. He would shine out in most teams in the SPL, we are just fortunate we have a strong midfield.
He was probably gutted because it was a big day for him in front of his friends and family so I can understand but Lennon did the right thing. As Lord bunberry says it was the formation that was the issue not the player.