Anyone in the know how many 100's or 1000's we are away from getting him to sign up again?
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Anyone in the know how many 100's or 1000's we are away from getting him to sign up again?
If we finish well this year and get into the Europa Qualifiers then i can't see him going to another Scottish club.... but if a championship side or even dare i say it, premiership side down south come in for him then fair play to him.
Also would be a bit miffed if he ends up at Aberdeen. I know they have a guy putting a bit money in but with the amount of fans we have each week putting in £'s I'd be a bit annoyed.
I reckon it's more to do with ambition than money. If we finish 2nd i reckon he'll definitely sign on again. 3rd and we'll see. He's 25 now and probably wants to test himself, so playing in europe could be a very major factor IMO.
Didn't think he'd feature in too many games this season, let alone be the outstanding midfielder in many games. Hope we can find a way of getting him to stay but feat he'll be of ski in the summer, along with McGinn.
Heard on Friday he was more than likely going to Aberdeen.Just hope its unfounded and we persuade him to stay.
He needs to stay.
Most likely it is us, Aberdeen or some team near the bottom of the English championship.
Aberdeen will offer slightly more money I’d imagine, but he would be living in Aberdeen...
I imagine a lot will depend on what Scott Allan decides. Both get on really well.
I imagine the thing with allan joining is Mcgeouch would want the same wage as him.
We really need to push the boat out and make sure he stays!
Not a step up in footballing terms (at the moment) but Aberdeen will be making a big move for him I think. They need to replace McLean and most likely Christie and are known to pay some big wages.
He’d be a huge signing for them. Gets one over on us and gets them a better player than the ones he’d be replacing.
Sign up to HSL, I'm sure if Hibs have the money to offer him, he'd stay.
Every player has their price and worth, if McGeouch wants more than hibs believe he is worth then so be it.
I'm not one for club statements or explanations for day-to-day decision but if we lost out on McGeough or say Allan to a genuine domestic rival (excluding the old firm) then someone from the club will need to pop round and sit down with a cuppa and explain to me why.
If he goes, he goes. He's one of my fav players for sure, however someone will replace him.
How much are we missing Stokes/Fyvie/Hundog/etc?
Bit naughty if he goes to Aberdeen isn’t exactly a step up is it?
Who’s Dylan’s agent?
If he is goes down to England I'd be disappointed but understand given he'd probably triple his salary.
Going up to Aberdeen for a couple hundred quid or whatever would be a real blow. I know we have a wage structure but if he genuinely wants to stay then we must make it happen.
Simply can't imagine why he'd go to Aberdeen
If he wants a wage increase I'm sure he can find a club down south
Dylan is getting his first Scotland call up tomorrow I wonder if that will have any bearings on contract negotiations
Really hope that if he does decide to leave that it’s to go down south. If Lennon/Hibs were serious about the ambition and challenging the ugly sisters then we can’t afford to let Aberdeen cherry pick one of our best and most influential players. They surely can’t be offering that much more than what we can? Imagine we kept the midfield three for another year or so... doubtful though I can see 1/2 definitely moving on unfortunately.
A deluded Kickbacker at work claimed that they were making him an offer, as well as bidding for Allan...literally laughed in his face.
Don't worry about it - with the 'Clutching-at-straws' levels over on 'Throw-backs' reaching heights never seen before (when they started cheating in the early 80's, online fan-sites didn't exist so there's no records!) all it takes is one of them to thumb a post onto JKB and it becomes hearsay - 2 and it becomes fact - 3 and it's set in stone - it's the Jambos very own virtual 'Wishing-well' !!
'Reality' NEVER comes into the Jambo-domain so relax !!
IMO there is no way he's going to Aberdeen. He's far too good to end up moving sideways for what would not be a big increase in salary.
The obvious option is that he's going down south, but I would have thought a club would have declared some interest by now.
IMO I feel that he's already negotiated a pre-contract, but has sworn everybody to secrecy as the fans won't be impressed with the final destination.
:cb
Whatever happens, let's enjoy him whilst he is still with us.
He looked delighted at both goal celebrations the other night, and was belting out Sunshine on Leith at the end. Obviously not the be all and end all, but you’d like to assume he’s happy playing for us, and is settled at the club and gets on well with his teammates.
Must be a substantial pay rise if he’s even considering Aberdeen and relocating his life up north.
He'll end up at the Huns. No chat from him or hibs and we've seen it all before.
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I'd love him to stay but we have a very good record of replacing players that we have lost. I imagine this will be the same.
I really can't see him at the Rangers. It's a club I believe he's not very fond of and yes I know he has played for them before
If it's only about money, and it may well be, he will go - however, we do have other things in our favour. You don't get nights like Friday night up in Aberdeen, against anyone.
He may well feel very settled and want to sign on for another couple of years - he will only be 28 and still have a big contract in him. He's taking a gamble at the moment in that if he gets a serious injury he obviously won't be employed next season - however, if he keeps performing like Friday for the remainder of the season, helping us win more money from a higher league position, we may well offer him more.
I would be well miffed if he went to Aberdeen. Thankfully I dont think he will. Any championship or top 1-4 league One team can blow us all out the water up here when it comes to wages. That is unfortunately the stark reality.
Considering this is really the first season he's managed to play without injury I hope he signs an extension. With the plan being he can move on when the right offer comes in and both parties can benefit. If he even gets a Scotland cap his value will rise even higher.
Rod should get on the blower to Mcleish and tell him Dylans not getting capped until he signs an extension...:cb
Hopefully something can be worked out and we keep hold of them both, but if it was one or the other I'd sooner tie-up Allan on a contract.
I'm assuming McGinn is most likely away in the Summer, keeping 2 out of the 3 would be smashing.
There is a great camaraderie at Hibs at the moment and that will have a bearing on who we manage to keep in the close season. Unfortunately, players when offered a good payrise will often take the money. It is a short career and no one should blame them for that. I am still hopeful that DM will sign a new deal despite all the rumours. I think it may depend on what we do in regards to Scott Allan and SJM. Ideal scenario is getting DM on a new contract, getting SJM to sign an extension (maybe with a release clause giving him more say in who he goes to) and getting SA from Celtic on a permanent. To do that would probably see the money for the rest of the squad reduced but I think it would be worth it. We really need as much prize money as we can get, record ST sales and more cash from HSL to make this happen, none of which are a million mile away as targets. I would love to see this midfield 3 here for a whole season, I think we could do something special before they go onto bigger things down south.
Playing for Aberdeen, on marginally more money. Or playing for Hibs, playing in front of 19k most weeks, with a manager who he is improving under, for a club moving in one direction, living in Edinburgh.
I wouldnt be surprised if Dylan has an eye on Europe. If we get into the Europe spot we might be able to keep him. Its likely we will loose McGinn so the money we get should be used to try and tie up Dylan and hopefully sign Allan. The thought of having to potentially replace all 3 is not going to be great, especially if we are in europe during the early rounds. I hope we have replacements already lined up of decent calibre if we have to replace them.
If he does leave it has to be down south as outwith the OF anything else is a step sideways.
Does he actually currently live in Edinburgh? (he might do, just have it in my head he's maybe travelling through.)
It would depend on how much is "marginally more" if I was Dylan. The whole Lennon factor, and moving in one direction can be spewed out by a club like Aberdeen with McInness (who recently pledged his future with a new contract) just as easy.
Just my attempt at looking at it without the green specs on.
Where we finish in the league this season will go towards us keeping our best players. Finish 2nd or 3rd and that goes a long way to getting them to stay with Hibs. Having listened to George Craig and LD, we will have replacements lined up anyway, wether they are as good as the 3 we have, we'll need to wait and see.
Brilliant player whose been far less injured this season so he's really been able to shine. That clearly hasn't gone unnoticed given his Scotland call up so I'd imagine quite a few clubs will be interested. I just hope it's not Aberdeen as rumoured. Hopefully he's a bit more ambitious and has a crack somewhere down south.
I still think he will stay. No info, just think he seems like he likes it here.
Aberdeen seem to be regressing. Now that the bigger clubs are back in the league they'll gradually start so slip down the table. Wouldn't surprise me if we finished above them this season.
The budget next season won't be far from Aberdeens with record season ticket sales and increased revenue associated with promotion. I can't for the life of me see the appeal in leaving Hibs for Aberdeen right now. More chance of it being the new club sadly.
"Does he actually currently live in Edinburgh? (he might do, just have it in my head he's maybe travelling through"
I'm sure the Hibs announcer Barrie had a wee laugh with Dylan (when interviewing him in hospitality after a game) about Dylan and SJM being flatmates? I also recall SDG making reference to some of the boys ending up in John's flat in Edinburgh on the night of the cup final?
I've also read somewhere about Dylan's family hoping he stays at Hibs?
Time will tell what happens but I sincerely hope he stays... IMO.. when he plays well - the team play well.
He flew under the radar for a long time but I personally think he is a fantastic player and hope he is one we can keep.
We need to make him the best possible offer we can and it should be inline with what Aberdeen offer, especially if we are serious about making a step up in the league to where Aberdeen are ...realty is he has ben very good and consistent,dominating quite a few games this season for us ...so as a top 5-6 midfielder in Scotland.he willneed tobe paid accordingly...
If he goes he will be very difficult to replace he is quality.
I would say that’s the definition of green-tinted specs. You’re only highlighting the areas in which we excel and conveniently ignoring Aberdeen’s strengths.
Aberdeen are more successful in recent times, pay more, and have a large financial backing which bodes well for their future. Their crowds aren’t great at the moment but they’ve shown in the past that they are capable of drawing large crowds. He’s been at Hibs for quite a while now, and yeah I think Edinburgh is an objectively nicer city, but maybe he fancies a change.
I don’t think there’s much between the 2 if I’m being completely honest. Hope we offer him as much as we feasibly can to hold on to him though.
Last year Aberdeen made a profit of £533k on a turnover of £15.2m, Hibs made a loss of £277k on a turnover of £7.7m. These figures will probably be closer this year, but Aberdeen are currently able to pay substantially more than us, particularly for a key player.
The boys in the office up here believe all is not well behind the scenes. The fans have been putting round a poll that if Aberdeen go out the cup then McInness had to go.
Some openly admit the style is horrific to watch and question the signings
Had a look at the accounts...
Their £15m turnover is made up of: £5m Gate Recipts, £1.5m Sponsorship/Advertising, £3m Broadcasting, £4.5m Commercial, £1m UEFA Prize Money.
I can't see a breakdown of our £7.7m turnover.
For expenses, they spend: £8m Staff Costs, £3m Cost of Sales (not sure what exactly this is but presumably falls within Other for us), £4m Other Operating expenses
Ours is: £4.5m Staff Costs, £3m Other Operating expenses
So fair to say they do pay a lot more than us, and even after our good year this year we won't be close to paying the same in the short term.
Goes to show how good a job the football staff at Hibs are doing given relative limited resources.
Aberdeen pay on average £900pw more than us . They brought on board a wealthy exiled dons fan from USA , and a couple from bridge on don . Who both put up considerable sums of cash to be invited on to the board .
Pre contract agreements are not binding in legal terms, that means neither party in the agreement is bound to honour. I do not think it has been tested in court. I would add that this is in general, there can be specific clauses in a PCA that bars one or both parties from pulling out or changing something or disclosing information within the agreement, but I can't think of any sane player that would sign a PCA that allows only the club to pull the plug.
I understand the thinking, but I don't share it. "Make them sheite so we can beat them."
That's a race to the bottom.
I'd prefer that Hibs get the opportunities to be as good as possible rather than other teams were crap.
Getting into Europe gives us an opportunity to do that, as challenging as it may be to succeed.
It may also be the convincer needed to keep some of our better players. Killie progressing would have meant that we wouldn't be certain of Europe until 4.40 on 19 May by which stage players who are currently having doubts may have made their decisions.
I think that they do catering and retail operations "in-house" whereas we outsource both. I wonder if there is any way of finding out how much turnover the Hibs shop does, can people access the accounts of the people who run it? That might help us to compare where the differences between Aberdeen and us are.
You'd have to think that our turnover will jump to north of £10m in the next set of accounts (1st season back in the Prem) with additional broadcasting revenue, prize money and UEFA money for Celtic's participation in the Champions League.
I really don't know, I was merely stating what the legal standpoint is in regards to PCAs. It would be very strange for a PCA to include clauses which would allow only one party to cancel the agreement. The thing with PCAs is that they tend to go through without issue, the players are usually moving onto a better salary and the club is gaining a better player.
PSL run our retail operations. They only took over in June 2017 however, so I guess we'd have to wait until their next accounts came out to find out. I can't remember who ran the shop before PSL.
Leannn and Rod seem pretty astute business people , surely if just by bringing certain things in house it resulted in a huge increase in revenue they would have done so?
:agree: It would be a big increase in revenue but also a big increase in costs, risk and logistical issues. Ultimately the bottom line is profit, not turnover.
The biggest issue with Aberdeen is that they do seem to be able to pay more than us towards the football side of the business so does having the retail and catering options "in-house" allow them to do that?
Because Aberdeen is a one-club city and because there isn't much else around in terms of sporting hospitality options (Edinburgh has Scotland Rugby, Edinburgh Rugby, Hibs, Hearts, Speedway, Musselburgh Races, etc.) I suspect their hospitality and sponsorship income is significantly more than us also.
Cheers.
PSL Team Sports Limited, if that's who they are, were dormant until at least January 2017. It sounds like we are their first client. So, if they do their accounts to January 2018, or even extend their period-end to June, those first accounts will be very interesting.
Pretty sure it was these guys before:
http://www.justsport-group.com/justsport-proclub/
They do lots of smaller football and rugby stuff. They've been doing Currie Rugby for years.
https://www.pslteamsports.com/club-shops.html
Think this is the parent:Quote:
Started in 2006, PSL Team Sports was created as a division of Provan Sports Limited (PSL) to focus on our expertise in providing kit, clothing and equipment solutions.
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/SC306073
Ta.
Because that's a small company, there is no Profit and Loss Account filed. So it would be difficult to gauge, from future accounts, how much Hibs are worth to them.
I am wondering if they have set up new company just to deal with Hibs; or perhaps they might use the dormant company that's already there. Either way, we won't know until the summer at the earliest.
Have we really come to the conclusion that Aberdeen have double the turnover than us cos they don't outsource catering and retail? Catering to a half empty stadium and they reduce kits to £10 around April. Much more likely advertising/commercial IMO