Seems like a bit of kok-up, from both sides
If he wants to stay, and we want to keep him, then it should be possible to get a deal done, even now.
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Seems like a bit of kok-up, from both sides
If he wants to stay, and we want to keep him, then it should be possible to get a deal done, even now.
If this version is correct FF was a bit daft but Hibs have not replaced him so to withdraw the contract offer is also daft
Cup winner or not HE rejected us, then realized we were probably his best option and came back. His own fault for this mess, he could have asked for time to reflect on the offer, he didnt, he rejected it then came running back when no better offers came in.
Made his own bed, he can sleep in it. Only want players at this club who want to be here for the right reasons, not because nobody else wants them.
typical poor reporting from EEN
"The Aberdonian’s departure means John McGinn, Dylan McGeouch and Bartley are the only senior midfielders currently available to Lennon, although young duo Scott Martin and Fraser Murray will be pushing for more prominent involvement in the upcoming campaign."
I think they forgot about Danny Swanson !
The EEN report seems to suggest he actually rejected the offer as opposed to just stalling. I'd probably take a harder line on that than I would if he had simply taken a week or 2 to weigh up his options tbh.
In saying that he's a good player so if a deal could still be done I'd be tempted to try and do it.
Unless we have a gautenteed 1st choice signing target coming in then I think it's silly, I can see it from the club's point of view where we want players who want to sign on the dotted line without having to take over and above any time that has been set out.
Surely you're missing the point.He rejected the offer and the club accepted his decision.End of story is it not.
Nobody is bigger than the club. I'm afraid Fraser has made a right mess of it. Good luck to him though. Can see him ending up at Dundee United or Falkirk.
I wonder if Lennon might have been questioning his attitude and was in some ways testing him/ all of the out of contract players?
He looked like his head went down during the second half of the season, I wonder if his attitude maybe wasn't all it should have been and that has been reflected in this carry on?
I really can't understand some of the comments .How was Lennon testing him?He was offered a contract and didn't want it .
It's more trying to explain why the contract was pulled in spite of Fyvie changing his mind.
He signs the contract - he's committed and good to go.
He pisses about - he's not committed so lets move on.
We've got the players who were committed, we've lost the ones who were not.
Good player but clearly not commited
It doesn't really seem to add up though, does it? Why would he turn up to sign the deal if he had already rejected it? It sounds like a lack of communication to me. If you were offered a job and rejected it, you wouldn't go back to the employer a few weeks later looking to take the job.
It's more likely that he thought the contract wasn't good enough through cash or length. Hibs have probably said that's the best you're getting take it or leave it, so he left it. He's gone on holiday, mulled it over and thought maybe it was a good deal after all and decided to go for it. Unless Hibs have someone better waiting to sign I just can't see the point of us not agreeing.
Whether anyone thinks he is or isn't good enough, it's a bit off that he wasn't given a bit leeway on this. It is after all his future and wages for the next few years. I would add that we've no idea the amount of time Hibs were waiting on an answer or any other details behind it, so can't really blame the club without having all the facts.
Don't buy the not committed thing. The truth is that every player wants the best possible deal for himself in terms of a) money b) high profile suitors c) involvement in first team action.
Fyvie tried to pursue his best interests. It was probably bad tactics on his part and it didn't work. Doesn't mean you shut the door. Everything is negotiable.
[QUOTE=worcesterhibby;5075984]typical poor reporting from EEN
"The Aberdonian’s departure means John McGinn, Dylan McGeouch and Bartley are the only senior midfielders currently available to Lennon, although young duo Scott Martin and Fraser Murray will be pushing for more prominent involvement in the upcoming campaign."
The EEN report I read said "senior central midfielders". I think they see Danny as more of a wide player or even a #10. Not one to defend the EEN but they're correct this time.
We played some of our best football when we had Fyvie, McGinn & Dylan interchanging in the middle. 3 talented and young midfielders with their best years ahead of them.
Fyvie is an asset.
Can see it from both points of view but hoping it can be put behind them, get back to the table and sort it out.
Love it if he were to stay
I'm going on the information available and think that' it's a bit off from Hibs if true. However, I've also said that we don't have all the facts so can't really blame anyone without these facts. I've also not made any judgment on whether or not we should sign him again as I don't know what we may replace him with. I'm also sure John McGinn or Jason Cummings would have been given a second chance, which probably says it all regarding Neil Lennon's thoughts on FF.
Yep.
We should now go to him with a slightly poorer offer (very slightly) than the one he originally turned down but is now happy with. Hibs retain a cracking player, and don't get seen to be played around, Fyvie gets a new contract, everyone's a winner.
Seems a no brainer to me, what am I missing?
Can't help but feel this all goes back to Fyvie getting subbed off against Aberdeen in the semi final, which will have really hurt his pride. You can't really blame him for taking the hump after that. Had to be done but very few players would take it on the chin imo
If there is anything I have learnt over the last few weeks it is not to take the media version of events as gospel, as simple word such as rejected changes the whole context of the situation between Fyvie and Hibs. I'm not sure what to believe any more.
I heard Leeann doesn't like to have too many gingers associated with the first team squad - makes us look too Irish - and with Simon Murray coming in either Fraser or Neilly had to be nudged out. Disgrace if true.
This is probably the key. I am one of the FF fans on this board and would have him in the team most weeks but accept that sometimes you have to prioritise. NL maybe felt that with McGinn, McGeouch, Bartley plus Martin and maybe new players he's identified who could play there (perhaps Whittaker?) that central midfield is less of a priority than other areas of the team.
I read on here that Fraser didn't use an agent when he spoke to the club. I hope he's not lost out here because of the lack of a professional adviser liaising with the club. Clubs moan often enough about having to deal with agents and it would be ironic if this situation highlights to players the importance of involving a third party.
I'd imagine LD, GC and NL had a budget set out for if the players renewed. FF didn't do it in time and they moved on to the next budget which they are already working towards and probably making progress on.
I like FF but I'm not going to criticise our successful transfer ops team without knowing the facts, ken.