Definitely Lee Miller.
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The premise of this thread seems to be that we can only remember Clown spilling a whole tray of drinks over a group of young women on the dancefloor of a George Street club and causing chaos a couple of times. Therefore the occasions when he failed to do this he must have uniformly delivered the tray of drinks satisfactorily.
No. There were numerous spillages at the bar, whilst loading the tray and even not bothering to get a round in - occurances that are too mundane to recall, just as his merely adequate and even semi competent displays are. However, this thread shows that such spillages are etched into the consciousness of our support and form the identikit of a piss poor keeper.
Decent analogy but the reality is that after near 100 replies now we haven’t managed to come up with anything more than the couple that were mentioned in the OP.
If he really was up there as the worst that we have ever had, as a few people have alluded to, I’d expect to see even a slight shred of further evidence considering he played near 70 games for the club.
Its especially prominent when when compared to the Oxley thread where no less than 8 clear howlers have been given as specific examples yet he is still somehow considered a solid keeper by most on here.
It’s an interesting insight into the mind of a football fan if nothing else. It suggests to me that if Brown and Zibi has made the exact same mistakes against anybody other than Hearts then oppnion of them would be very different.
I've happily been able to consign most (not all) of their collective howlers to some black and festering corner of my brain where they remain, never to be accessed again.
What got to me about Brown was that he didn't seem to give a **** and that I can't put up with.
On a separate note, everyone seems to be able to remember at least one decent game or quality save for both these miscreants.
Can anyone remember Tony Caig doing likewise???
That still haunts me. I can remember sitting in the old east and watching Charlie Adam set the ball up, Brown leaving a massive gap and standing on his 6 yard line. I was about blowing a gasket trying to shout at the clown, as it was so obvious what was coming next. Utter clown of a goalie.
Handling pressure in bigger games is part and parcel of being a decent keeper. Slipping up in bread and butter games people can ride with, but in high stakes games a nervy keeper can destroy a team. Both Clown and Zibbi excelled at that. But I recall Brown selling a game - for some reason Dumbarton springs to mind - I think it was, with an atrociously butterfingered spill. Not to labour the point but I'm still waiting for Clown (or Zibbi's) greatest saves moments.
Makalambay wasn't great, but nowhere near Clownzibbi for uninspiring both team and support.
There are three shockers across two games in your OP. All worse than anything Oxley did IMO, and in much bigger games. As others have said, these stay with you.
You also seem to be taking the fact that people can't remember other specific games from a period stretching from 11 - 14 years ago as confirmation that he must have otherwise been solid, when the vast majority of posters remember him differently (and he was binned by two managers).
I'd be surprised if you could remember all of the soft goals Oxley conceded that have been mentioned on this thread, in 14 years time. Your talking very recent history versus well over a decade ago.
Fair argument but I’ll point out that I’m not just asking one person. The collective minds of Hibs.net haven’t managed to come up with any others in over 100 replies. Maybe it’s because they’ve been forgotten about but maybe they didn’t happen and people perceptions have been altered slightly over time. I’m leaning towards the latter. Mind you, on the Oxley thread there are a number of people claiming they can’t remember Oxley having any shockers and that was just 2-3 years ago so you really can’t tell.
We live in an age where there are thousands of hours of old footage available online and we have websites that can tell you anything about any game in history. Surely at least one person on here would be able to point me in the direction of another example if it had indeed happened.
I’ll also disagree that Browns mistakes were worse than Oxleys. The misjudgment of the ball going wide against Hearts is comparable to Oxley misjudging the flight of the ball againt Rangers when he allowed the cross to hit the crossbar for Holt to tap in. The free kick against Rangers when Brown spilled the ball into the net through his legs was identical to Oxleys blunder away to Allo when he did the very same thing. I’d argue that a game against Rangers in the Championship was no less of a big game than it was in the SPL and the Alloa game was in the Scottish Cup - another huge game.
The biggest misconception on this this thread though is the notion that I thought he was good. This isn’t true. I thought he was steady at best, probably closer to Mark Brown than Malkowski.
I forgot we even had Mark Brown. Another disappointment in a Hibs top.
Here's an old thread on the bounce where the best thing said about Simon Brown is he's not as utterly woeful as Zibi Malkowski.
http://www.hibeesbounce.com/showthre...for-Hibs-again
Hope it's okay to link to the rivals!
I had actually genuinely forgotten about Oxley's one v Alloa being so bad, so fair point re: that one. I would disagree re: Brown's misjudgement v Hearts vs Oxley's v Rangers though. Oxley's was definitely bad, but he at least knew he had to take action, albeit he certainly took the wrong one. Brown was so confident in his judgement that rather than simply palm down an innocuous header, he thought that he would let it drift past the post - his judgement was so bad that the ball didn't even hit the post before going in. Shocking. I remember being in the stand at Tynie that night, right behind it - it was always on target.
Minus the big errors, S Brown and Malkowski occupy a similar space to M Brown, Graeme Smith and Makalamby in that I always felt that back four looked nervy behind them - any ball into the space between the centre halfs (that got them turned) and the goalkeeper seemed to cause minor panic, and long balls into the box from any area left me with my heart in my mouth. None of them seemed to be that comfortable with the ball at their feet either. It was so easy for teams to put us under pressure as a result of all that.
Oxley wasn't great, but I didn't feel that panic with him (and I don't believe that the defence did), as much as he could be prone to the handling errors that have been outlined - his ability with the ball at his feet, and the fact that he could kick comfortably with both, was a big plus, and I think suited our game. I would put him in the same bracket as Graham Stack, and that bracket is higher than all the keepers listed above.
However, as you have said, this thread has shown how subjective fans' experiences of players is - these are mine, and you clearly feel differently.
Tony Caig :grr::grr::grr:
Brown made a remarkable save from Bob Macolm once in one of our 3-0 wins and other than that was mostly terrible from my memory. I longed for the day we replaced him (pity it was Zibi that replaced him)
I remember him giving the ball to Lee Miller and then chopping him down for what should have been a penalty & red card.
Tony Caig! My lasting memory of him is Nick Colgan getting sent off at home to St Mirren or Killie or some such. Free kick edge of the box with Craig now on and he looked to defy gravity how slow he failed to get down to it.
Sure he ended up on the bench for Newcastle in the champions league the next season when they had an injury crisis in goals.
Yeah that's spot on. They had a very good crowd through and it was also the realisation that we where actually pap from where we came from and Dunfermline where a better side. I'm sure we had some Canadian boy Franks ? Who came in to challenge plus I loved Colgan.
Terrible keeper.
Fat, slow, unfit, lazy and technically incompetent.
Let's not forget it.
Charlie adam scoring same free kick twice is my memory