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Poor Danny. Hope he finds some peace soon. I'm sure the Hibs support will get behind him when needed.
Wouldn't want to be in his place just now. No wonder his form dropped after NewYear.
It's unlikeky that all three youths killed Shaun. By eliminating one who may have taken part in the general rammy in the street but was unlikely to have struck the killer blow, they de facto close in on the more likely culprits.
Taking part in a street brawl is stupid and dangerous but it's very common to a lot of young men. It's also far from murder.
Its a horrible thing to have happened but to be a witness in court is a hard thing mentally to deal and overcome. Stay strong Danny for the family and yours.
Yes being cross examined and put through the mill by the defence in court is not a nice place to be especially as they are experts at analysing your statements and building doubt as to your credibility. Extra tough when you are recalling events that lead to the death of your close friend and bringing back the memories of what you have witnessed but would rather forget. A difficult time for Danny without doubt.
On the bench today. All the best Danny.
Looks like they have to determine whether it was that or whether, within that, one or two evil little barstewards took it to another level.
As most people know, the difference between a drunken street brawl and then somebody vicously booting or stomping on a decked party is massive.
Danny and the rest of his family had to give evidence this week and hopefully it gets justice for Shaun
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...-fife-41602271
A teenager has been convicted of culpable homicide following the death of a man in Edinburgh on New Year's Day.Shaun Woodburn, 30, died after he was attacked outside Gladstone's pub in Leith earlier this year.
The 17-year-old and a friend had earlier carried out assaults on other members of the public in Edinburgh.
toss the key away, pieces of ***** that they are
Hopefully Danny can begin to move on now, poor guy
Good news, was starting to get worried the **** would get off with it. Hopefully some peace can be had for everyone involved. Hope the **** rot.
The courts and law in this country are beyond a joke.
It's partly one of the consequences of using juries - if the prosecution were worried at all about the possibility of a not guilty verdict (especially if there was no CCTV evidence) then they may have preferred to accept the lesser verdict as being a better option that the jury finding him not guilty.....
Having recently served on a jury in a murder trial, I hope I'm never up in front of one. One women actually said as soon as we went in for deliberation "can we just vote now I'm not wanting to come back tomorrow " half of the time she was falling asleep and the court had to be stopped a few times because of her. Others think they are on csi and make stuff up. There really should be a minimum IQ requirement.
Nah, there is a difference between planning on and intending to kill someone and it happening as a consequence of a fight, albeit one that the youngsters seemed intent on causing wherever they went that night.
it seems the lads in the pub came out with pool cues and things so they played their part in it getting to the stage it did. Tragic all round but I think the verdict is the right one in the circumstances.
Culpabile Homicide. Good old Scotland. The only country in the world that lets murderers off with life if they say they didnae mean it.
It's hard to prove that legally though.
For a murder conviction there has to be evidence and proof beyond reasonable doubt that the lad in questions intention that night was to kill someone. It may be that the emotive nature of the case could see a jury convinced but, much as I don't like it, it leaves the conviction wide open to appeal. Culpable homicide (I assume it's been deemed voluntary under Scots Law) goes some way to ensuring a guilty verdict and keeps a hefty sentence on the table up to and including life imprisonment.
He will get 8 years maximum which gets cut to 4 and then also eligible to home visits after 2
Not really. Most countries have equivalents. Proper murder needs to be premeditated. Not just intention to go out and cause some bother and injury, but intention to murder someone.
This verdict agrees that by his actions he caused someone to be killed. That sounds to me what I was expecting from what I had read.
I've been following this case online. So very sad. Whilst glad to know he got convicted, how did his friends get off despite them involved with 5 other punch ups that same night. Horrific individuals.