They are more than welcome to come along and under a loyalty point scheme the more games they attend the better chance they have of getting a ticket for low allocation games. It's not rocket science.
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loyalty points should be dished out at the end of each season, a walk-up that attends every home game gives the club far more money that a ST holder, who's the more loyal fan then :devil: away ST holders don't pay money towards the running of the club :idea:
I’m not saying they should.
I’m saying everyone should be treated equally with an equal chance of getting a ticket.
I really don’t see how anyone can complain about that?
If we take your position to extremes, we’d then be waiting on older fans dying off before anyone else gets to go!!
Exactly. The first year in the Championship I only missed one away game all season (due to a holiday) but missed out on tickets to the game at Ibrox when Lewy scored because a whole bunch of people decided that Hibs were worth watching by that point.
Having spent the time and money travelling to watch us lose against QOTS, Alloa, Raith etc as well as midweek trips to Ross County and Dumbarton that season I felt it was a bit unfair that I ended up missing one of the few real highlights of that season
There should be a Loyalty Points system based on how many Hibs Tatoos you have, with double points given for any in 'painful' regions.
This is just one of these things, that you will never get a large fan base all agreeing on what system is best, purely because everyone will want to put their own personal circumstances as a priority.
We have all seen things like people queuing for hours and then buying for up to 10 people, people logging on with different accounts on several different computers/devices when trying to get in the online purchase queue.
But it all boils down to the no matter what system you do, what loyalty scheme you come up with, 16,000 fans fighting over 3000 tickets, there will always be 13,000 that will miss out.
The the argument " I've has a ST for X number of years" and " well I have a ST and AST" and "but I buy a walk up ticket to all home and away" etc the list goes on.
Yes, I do think that loyalty should be rewarded in some way, but now we have 13,500 ST holders, not everyone will fit in the away end at the PBS.
I get what you mean but the bit in bold isn't always true. People like Hermit Crab for example already have an away season ticket so they are sorted for all away games as it is so moving back to loyalty points wouldn't benefit him any further but still he's one of the louder advocates for the system.
I fall into the same bracket, I'll get a ticket for any away game but still would rather see loyalty points brought back because I think it's fairer.
Any loyalty points Scheme can’t diminish the value of a season ticket. Any points scheme should only be for season ticket Holders to promote the clubs main stream of income.
I like the idea of an Away Season Ticket for those who are keen to commit to every away game then as a secondary way of allocating tickets a loyalty scheme.
I've got an away season ticket this year and it's flawless (apart from the restricted view nonsense lol).
If Hibs wanted to bring in the LP system for the 2019/20 season then heres how easy it is.
If you had a 18/19 season ticket coupled with an away season ticket this season and renew then you start of on 60 points.
If you just had an 18/19 season ticket and renew you start with 50 points.
If you're a first time purchaser of a season ticket in 2019/20 season then you get 40 points.
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Away games
Loyalty points for away games issued as follows (depending on league participants) and depending whether tickets are issued by the respective clubs although most clubs no longer accommodate PATG without tickets going on sale first.
Hearts, Celtic, Rangers away, 1 loyalty point for big away games smaller allocation (hearts isn't exactly away so 1 loyalty point)
Livingston, Motherwell, Hamilton, Kilmarnock, St Johnstone and Dundee 2 points, fairly easy to get to with large away allocations but can be unattractive to fans so more loyalty points for attending these lesser attractive games.
Aberdeen away, 3 loyalty points, long distance to travel, unattractive in the winter and usually tv games but incentive to go with more points for attending.
If Ross County or Inverness come up then they would be 3 point matches going by distance and and attractiveness of the fixtures.
Cup away games would depend on the draw and allocation. Use the method above regarding distance as a general rule of thumb.
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Home games
Points issued in the following way for home games.
Cup matches that season Ticket Holders attend gets you 1 loyalty point if you buy a ticket through the website, call centre or ticket office getting the ticket using their client reference number. (NB if you buy multiple tickets for friends using you client ref then you still only get 1 point for your actual ticket for your seat.
Walk ups (PATG) 0 loyalty points, I know it seems harsh but the incentive is there to buy in advance to get points, tickets can be bought online minutes before kick off and scanned from phones at turnstiles.
No retrospective adding of points etc.
No points for pies, clubs shop crap and pints behind the goals. Points are for tickets only.
At the end of the season everyone gets 50 knocked off their total and he scheme begins again.
I get your point.
However, let’s say for example that our first game of the season is away to Rangers.
800 Hibs fans get their tickets and some loyalty points. Let’s say you and I both missed out for whatever reason.
We have now got zero chance of amassing the same number of points as the 800 meaning that we won’t ever be able to get another ticket for Ibrox.
In essence, these 800 are the only ones that will be guaranteed tickets for the next match at Ibrox
That just doesn’t seem fair to me, or for you!!
Leeann is very smart and will never devalue the season ticket again. It’s the most important revenue generator for the club and she wants to keep it that way.
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First thing that needs done is to change the name from loyalty points as this causes friction as fans all regard themselves as loyal and most invest a fair chunk into the club through various methods.
LD has said no on numerous occasions so it’s not coming back as fans threatened not to renew their STs as they had no chance of getting a ticket for Hearts away. The AST works,so maybe we could have a scheme where fans sign up for half AST or a Cat AST
Also I’d rather we spent money on the team rather than waste it running a loyalty scheme that will not bring in a penny of extra income for the club. Things are going well just now, why divert money from Lennon’s budget for this?
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