Take objection to that last comment. Making an argument to say they both should have been aware there was a divided opinion among supporters and they should have each voted differently is not sniping from the woods.
You do realise that’s the fans reps are volunteers and can’t spend their whole lives doing this voluntary job? The fact they liaised and then fronted up a meeting to explain their decision seems fair enough to me. The petition and now subsequent witch hunt against the board is unnecessary and only brings disharmony to our club.
Would of been one of my questions last night It was a key cornerstone of the Sporting Integrity Debate way back
Or have The Rangers browbeaten all the clubs into delaying this until they have broken all the rules to secure second spot and are back where they rightfully belong
I am far from being an Agitator but on this issue i would like dome clarity
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I was at the meeting last night and I thought Leeann and Rod spoke well and put forward the Club's position as well as they possibly could.
Leeann's main argument was that she and the Club are totally focused on Hibs and the future and didn't want to be deflected by looking back at what happened in the past.
Rod's main argument was that the Rangers situation was dealt with by the football authorities at the time; SPL/other Clubs and the SFA. He added that you could argue with the level of punishment (£250k fine, transfer embargo, Newco taking on Oldco's football debts) but you couldn't argue that the matter hadn't been dealt with at the time.
Whilst I can understand Leeann's argument to an extent, I think that Rod's position is weak. The problem with it is, that there remains a real doubt as to whether the football authorities delivered a punishment to Newco which fitted the crime of Oldco. The reason being that the clubs had a vested interest in not punishing Newco too severely, due to self-interest and self-preservation (£s). Leeann actually eluded to the self-interest of other clubs in her opening contribution.
An independent enquiry no doubt would have considered the self-interest issue and made recommendations which may have allowed everyone to look forward to the future with confidence. So for me, HFC's opposition to an independent review into the matter is disappointing and short-sighted.
Cheers THA.
Thanks for report.
Did you get a sense of what Leeann meant by being 'deflected'? I am struggling to see how Hibs would suffer in any significant way in the future by being party to any review of previous wrongdoing, or involved in establishing rules which would prevent another oldco/newco fiasco. Rod's already involved with the governance - is there a fear that he wouldn't have time to turn up to ER at all if the issues were properly looked at? :confused:
The only way the club can benefit from not having the inquiry is if the club has something to hide. Is this what the "new information" was?
Leeann made the point that the issue all kicked off at a time when the Club's main focus was on the transfer window. I think she feels that attention given to the past and an enquiry etc, could affect the Club's focus on future achievement. Whilst I can see where Leeann is coming from, I feel in these days of transparency and demonstrating fair play, the issue is far too important to brush under the carpet.
On Rod, he is clearly in a difficult position due to his role at the SFA. The SFA have their fingerprints all over the EBT scandal and I suspect his status at the SFA must be the main reason the Club has adopted the stance which they have.
I can’t see how it can be in the clubs interest to either be part of a cover up or to turn a blind eye to a cover up and that is what it looks like.
Directors have a duty to protect the clubs long term reputation as well as its short term financial health.
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i think it's commendable that the club was prepared to engage with the support and I'm glad that the discussion was curteous.
As a matter of interest did anyone actually try to pin RP down over the fundemental flaws in the Nimmo Smith enquiry with regards to its terms, the fact it was based on EBTs being legal which the Supreme Court found not to be the case and the fact that the enquiry was lied to?
LDs admission about the clubs self interest (or at least their perceived self interest) is very telling. There is still no desire amongst the majority of clubs for a level playing field in Scottish Football.
Did anŷone ask RP, in the spirit of moving on, specific ways in which lessons had been learnt by the SFA and how things had changed to enable us to be confident that matters would be dealt with differently in the future? Given the current state of Rangers' finanaces we may get a chance to find out.
I remain disappointed in the club's attitude.
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As The Rangers have carried on spending without a care in the world and the fact they DONT have the money to do it, shows LD and Petrie have learned nothing.
I’d like us to question this because it’s clear to everyone in Scottish football they are still cheating. Sick to death of Hibs and others turning a blind eye to this. Grow a pair ffs and get these clown punished properly.
Think you are calling this one wrong Cat...
Making a loss as a business isn’t cheating...as long as you have the funding to continue paying your bills as the come due - currently, due to support of directors they have that funding - if that was to stop - their situation would change.
Whilst not sustainable, and certainly not without risk, there is nothing illegal in what they are doing
Am in the pissed off camp but the harsh reality is they play the system and know the cards to play and how to influence the powers that be
They know going forward that they can sell their season tickets , they will be back selling their own Merchandise Get bigger share of T V deals etc and they will always have people and corporate finance willing to invest when they get to point of challenging Celtic and back in Europe
The latter was never going to happen quickly and we are now seeing a period of Transition which they are skilfully navigating
They have created a situation where they now know there is no appetite by member clubs to take them on
So i suspect they will continue to find ways to carry on
There biggest problem now is getting the right Manager and Players Get that wrong again , go out of Europe early and have to sack another Manager would create another crises and could see change at Ibrox at Boardroom Level
But Ozzy s point that people seem happy to sweep under the carpet remains There is no appetite to regulate some form of financial fair play structure when The Rangers are still going through this Transition Yet it was a fundamental point of the Sporting Integrity blurb and all clubs seemed up for it
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We still have some of the same folk in charge, who were part of the huge cover up, when rangers went to the wall.
The governing body, then tried every trick in the book to justify why they shouldn't apply the rules that were already there in place.
There has been deals and cover ups galore, to ensure the new club made their way back to their rightful place, and we are supposed to just roll over and tickle their belly.
And to cap it all off, after the lies and deceit, they even give one of them who lied through his teeth, a bloody job with the SFA.
What harm could having an open independant review of the whole affair cause, unless those at the top table and i include Hibs in this, have something to hide?
In any other sport, in any other country, we'd not be having this argument.
I have tried to see this in another way, but haven't managed to. If financial self-interest has been a, or the, major factor in the club's wanting to move on/sweep stuff under the carpet, isn't this basically saying, since the financial self-interest is ongoing, that the Glasgow Giants will continue to be allowed to do stuff in the future that no other clubs could get away with? Roll on the the thes.
My feelings exactly. Certain clubs ignore the rules for their own self interest. They get away with it all the time. It is not in the long term interests of the game not to govern properly. Look at how a glib and shameless liar is allowed to own their club today. Scottish football needs a clean out of everyone who let this happen before we move on. Starting with Regan and Doncaster.