That revisionism is obviously bollocks though. :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
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That revisionism is obviously bollocks though. :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
It might also be worth remembering some of the die hard Hibs supporters who lead the fight for HOH at the time
I’ll start with Andy Urquhart Bill Alcorn Eric Meechan
Maud McFarlane who are all sadly no longer with us but made massive contributions at the time
Any one wth names of other hibbys who fought to save this great club club please add and remember their efforts
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Originally Posted by Bostonhibby
:singing: " tell all the yams you know "
Was there a meeting around that time where Mercer was trying to outline his reasons for merging the two clubs and he'd said "You know, I'll never understand football fans" to which someone replied "That's why you got ***** through your letterbox"? I was quite young at the time but that quote stuck with me for some reason. I'd love to hear the full story behind it if it is true...
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Originally Posted by silverhibee
Its been 56 years in a row oh oh oh
Mon the Cabbage!!!
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My recollection of the time is that a few high profile guys like Robbo aside the attitude of Hearts fans was somewhere between laughing at our plight and shrugging their shoulders. As I recall they had an open invitation to the Hands off Hibs rally at Easter Road and two showed up in the Dunbar end, they stood out so much I even remember Pat Stanton thanking them directly.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibby6270
I for one cant remember any marked show of displeasure from the Hearts fans in any numbers whatsoever at what Mercer was doing .... perhaps folk living in Edinburgh who were closer to the action saw it differently, but so far as I'm concerned we saved ourselves and any input from Gorgie was insignificant when it came to achieving that goal.
The way that lot recall it now you would think they came riding to our rescue with Mercer as Sir Lancelot, his intervention bringing our dire situation into the light and saving us from ourselves ........... Utter revisionist made up nonsense and I for one wont add fuel to that fire by giving them as a support in general any credit whatsoever because I sincerely believe they don't deserve any.
:agree: If it wasn't for the normal fan standing up for the club we would be no more.Quote:
Originally Posted by darwenhibby
Ah hearts fans and their habit of re-writing history. I also particularly love when they spout their "hearts fans helped save hibs" as well. Utter bollocks, there was a handful (at very best) that came to the rallies but the vast majority of their support were basking in our misery. But hey, would hate for the truth to get in the way of yet another one of their little "we are the big team" fantasies eh!Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
Mercer epitomized what it means to be a jambo - smug, arrogant, utterly detestable and with ideas way above his station.
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Originally Posted by 21.05.2016
Mercenary was straight out of the Gordon Gekko type Filofax tom kite philosophy.
He was out of the Lord Dangleberry Ann Budge type tom kite house ultra DUP type non compassionate self serving flesh eaters that consume our societies.
Horrible non folk that feed off our good selves. Only a good folk Hibernian win will do our souls any good come post 21st January 2018.
Mon the Cabbage!!!
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Mercer was a vile character. A two bit sycophantic Tory. A fraud. A self-important, self-obsessed rugby man who could not understand an ordinary football fan's passion and loyalty to their club. An egotistical chancer who got in way over his head. And above all else, a failure.
First time i saw my proud old man cry was at the HOH rally in 1990 and i blame Mercer for that. Tried to take his club away and for me it started a deep feeling of hatred towards that side of the city. Awfull time. I think the pain of that time is deep routed in a lot of us and for me it's hard to forget. It was because of that time i saw the passion and affection so many people had for Hibernian football club.
I'm not so sure Duff was the 'reluctant hero' that is being portrayed. He saw first hand the rage of the support. Even some who would normally be described as 'quiet'. I wonder if it was more the case that he was concerned he'd be found in a ditch with his throat slit.
As for the jambos? Yep there were lots who opposed Mercer but there were also plenty who were happy to rub our noses in it.
A really stressful time but perversely ended up being one of our finest hours. The 'grassroots' opposition and activity that fought the FTB off will always remain a major source of pride in my eyes.
There really weren't that many yams around who were showing their displeasure at this at the time. It's why I have always respected Robertson.Quote:
Originally Posted by NAE NOOKIE
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There were virtually no Hearts fans opposed to the merger, it had the support from a vast majority with no real opposition. A handful, literally a handful at most, turned up at the rally. Overwhelmingly they all found our suffering hilarious, and bought into the idea that it would make them genuine challengers to the OF. As someone else stated the attack on our club was defeated entirely down to a grassroots campaign by our supporters, undoubtedly the supporters of our clubs finest hour.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bostonhibby
My experience as well, I worked with 4 jambos at the time, 3 could not hide their delight, the boss who was an old style one was a great guy. I left the job around that time and he actually gave me a programme from the 0-7 game autographed by Alan Gordon and wished me and Hibs all the best.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nakedmanoncrack
I was in Scotland at a wedding right in the middle of this, the groom supported them and there were quite a few plums there as well. Overwhelmingly big teamers yakking about closing us down, making money from the cleared site at ER, calling the new team Heart of Midlothian and other guff borne of the same unfunded arrogance we've seen many times since. It was listening to one of them that got me thinking about a campaign against the Bank of Scotland who were apparently a fair part of the financial backing for Mercer.
Anyhow, we didn't have the humiliation of admin and having to produce our very own list of people we weren't going to pay including the poppy fund, military and club related charities, a smell that will follow them around for a while yet.
The difference between the actions of our fans then and their fans in the Romanov years and the admin years is how I always explain the difference between being a yam cardigan and a proud Hibby.
https://www.scotsman.com/sport/merce...-bid-1-1246616
Decent article written in 2010(other than the last section).
I can’t help thinking that hibby6270 wrote that statement sarcastically. Living and working in Edinburgh at the time - and surrounded by quite a few hertz fans - my over-riding memory from them is one of silence and indifference. I take that as they were quite happy with the way things were panning out.Quote:
Originally Posted by NAE NOOKIE
Traits that Robinson and Romanov embraced and continued to encourage around Tynecastle.Quote:
Originally Posted by 21.05.2016
Levein’s doing no too bad at it either.
I wasn’t old enough to really know what was going on back then but my god what a mess. Fascinating and frightening.
For me me this is why HSL need to get a 25% stake in the club. It can never be forgotten how close Hibs were to the end.
Rowland was the Lord Ashcroft of his day.
I've got a photo on my livingroom wall of me and my laddie (he was about 5 or 6 years old then), wearing our Hands Off Hibs T-shirts.
I often look at that pic and have a wee contented smirk to myself, knowing that we, and all the many other Hibs supporters that lived through that time, supported our cause to defeat the FTB and his minions in their efforts to end our club.
The saying ' its often darkest before the dawn' seems to apply here, and I'm convinced that terrible period in our clubs history, galvanised our support and brought many of us much closer to our club.
GGTTH
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Originally Posted by Eaststand
Still got a framed HOH poster on the wall, it gets moved around the house a lot but it'll never go away
Does anyone have the sky programme 'Hibernian:The Team That Wouldn't Die' (think that is what it was called)? Lost it when my box corrupted and would love to get a copy
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Originally Posted by Bostonhibby
Nice one mate, and i wish I'd kept more of the HoH stuff that i once had
GGTTH
It's in various parts on YT, this is part 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ya4EqVYM1s... ***** quality though :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Green Reaper
There's also another covering the period 'The team that was HIBERNIAN'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3DvwAINYfw
Took a half day from work on hearing the news with a good Hibby Bernie Japps and went down to ER. Everyone was stunned but it was clear at the meeting in the Hibs Club we were going to make sure the takeover never happened. Only time I’ve ever had a wee greet over football (including the SC final) was at home that night after a few beers.
Great campaign mounted to save us but ultimately it was Duff and Sheila Rowland plus STF who meant we didn’t have to start again from the ashes. As has been said, Most Hearts fans didn’t care or thought it was funny we were going bust. Made our 1991 cup triumph even sweeter. They were spewing.
AFAIK fans already own more than 25% if you lump individuals like me and HSL members together, not forgetting that some HSL members also own shares in their own right as well as through HSL. There are a few mysterious bodies amongst the different groups who own chunks of shares, their attitude towards their shareholding is unclear, though at this time there's no evidence they have any bad intentions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Easter Rising
Its obvious HSL's shares are only ever going to be used in the defence of the club and I would imagine 99.9% of the guys like me would rather cut off an appendage with a rusty penknife than sell our shares to anybody with anything other than the very best intentions for the club .... in my case I wouldn't sell them to anybody, good intentions or not :greengrin
This was a good TV programme, George Hume was a good investigative journalist. This Focal Point was a follow up to one from 18 months before in which Hume interviews Duff and Hume has found out a lot about Rowland and the deals that saw him pull the strings. Hume also hints at trouble ahead, although nobody could have foreseen what Mercer would do.
This is the first time I have seen the follow up. Interesting how Duff maintains he though the clubs would share grounds and the Edinburgh land situation was something going on in the background.