Hibs in trouble with UEFA

[hibbie02]

Looks like the idiots with the smoke bombs have dropped us in it! Apparently we are being charged with 3 offences, 2 related to pyrotechnics and one of not having out own stewards for our fans in Greece? Do we need to take Stewards???

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hibs-hit-with-uefa-charges-over-fans-behaviour-in-greece-1-4780067

[MartinfaePorty]

Maybe they got bumped off the charter?!

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[PeeKay]

And yet the near riot in Glasgow that resulted in two Croatian football fans being stabbed is not an issue for UEFA with neither club being sanctioned. They need to get their priorities right!

[Famous Fiver]

Quite happy to volunteer my services if it means a free trip to Denmark.

Never done it before and I could not stop a tearaway 5 year old but judging by some of the stewards I've seen at ER and on my travels I'm pretty sure I could give it a go.

Might need an extra plane for all the volunteers though!

[Togs91]

Simple isnt it, club and UEFA dont want us to do it, just don't do it!

[Thecat23]

They’ll be on the now to tell us “it was gid like” and worth it because they made it a cracking atmosphere. 🙄

Wonder if they would help pay the fine?

[GloryGlory]

And yet the near riot in Glasgow that resulted in two Croatian football fans being stabbed is not an issue for UEFA with neither club being sanctioned. They need to get their priorities right!

Outside the stadium, unlike Hibs fans who set off flares inside the stadium.

[Brightside]

Quite happy to volunteer my services if it means a free trip to Denmark.

Never done it before and I could not stop a tearaway 5 year old but judging by some of the stewards I've seen at ER and on my travels I'm pretty sure I could give it a go.

Might need an extra plane for all the volunteers though!

Why are you going to denmark?

[Thecat23]

And yet the near riot in Glasgow that resulted in two Croatian football fans being stabbed is not an issue for UEFA with neither club being sanctioned. They need to get their priorities right!

Ongoing investigation is there not with the police as well?

Either way both wrong both deserve punishment.

[Jim44]

Tossers!!!

[Since90+2]

I'd imagine the fine will be pretty small but it is annoying.

[Jamesie]

Looks like the idiots with the smoke bombs have dropped us in it! Apparently we are being charged with 3 offences, 2 related to pyrotechnics and one of not having out own stewards for our fans in Greece? Do we need to take Stewards???

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hibs-hit-with-uefa-charges-over-fans-behaviour-in-greece-1-4780067

https://www.uefa.com/newsfiles/551778.pdf

Article 24 – Travel of visiting supporters
1 When security reasons render it inadvisable for supporters to travel to an away match, the match organiser and participating associations or clubs must do
everything possible to prevent supporters from travelling.
2 If more than 500 supporters are expected to travel to an away match, the visiting association or club concerned is required to appoint an adequate number of stewards
to accompany and assist supporters during their journeys to and from the venue and at the match, and to liaise between the public authorities and the supporters.

Presumably the charge is under Art 24(2). I would suggest that the first building block of our defence to that element of the charge sheet would be the fact that Asteras did not permit us to sell tickets to our own fans in order to ascertain a reasonable expectation as to the numbers that would travel. That, coupled with the fact we didn't fill the club's own charter, should be enough to resist a finding against Hibs on this charge, I would hope.

[Jamesie]

Meanwhile, Asteras have been accused of breaching article 16 of the DR following a ‘field invasion’.

FWIW I don't recall any supporters from either side entering the field of play?

[BoomtownHibees]

Meanwhile, Asteras have been accused of breaching article 16 of the DR following a ‘field invasion’.

FWIW I don't recall any supporters from either side entering the field of play?

One of their fans ran the whole length of the pitch at FT and looked like he was confronting a player. He ran away back after said player gave him his strip

[nonshinyfinish]

Meanwhile, Asteras have been accused of breaching article 16 of the DR following a ‘field invasion’.

FWIW I don't recall any supporters from either side entering the field of play?

A lone Asteras fan ran down the pitch after the final whistle. Didn’t see anyone other than that.

[CapitalGreen]

Meanwhile, Asteras have been accused of breaching article 16 of the DR following a ‘field invasion’.

FWIW I don't recall any supporters from either side entering the field of play?

Asteras boy ran on from the far end when the the players were heading to the tunnel at FT. He managed to run the length of the pitch un-opposed and then got into an argument with one of their players. The argument ended with the Asteras player giving him his shirt and the fan was then able to run back down the full length of the pitch and into the stand unopposed!

[Iggy Pope]

Bah! These pesky kids creating atmosphere on foreign soil for old ****ers like us.

Why can't everyone just watch the game on a ropey Facebook stream?

[basehibby]

Looks like the idiots with the smoke bombs have dropped us in it! Apparently we are being charged with 3 offences, 2 related to pyrotechnics and one of not having out own stewards for our fans in Greece? Do we need to take Stewards???

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hibs-hit-with-uefa-charges-over-fans-behaviour-in-greece-1-4780067

Stupid wee fan-dans - maybe they should have a look at the following alternative entertainment instead of costing Hibs money ..... https://www.netmums.com/activities/top-fireworks-displays-for-toddlers-this-bonfire-night

[proud_and_green]

Ongoing investigation is there not with the police as well?

Either way both wrong both deserve punishment.Ahh, Yoda wise are you!

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[Jim44]

Bah! These pesky kids creating atmosphere on foreign soil for old ****ers like us.

Why can't everyone just watch the game on a ropey Facebook stream?

Atmosphere? D’you mean smoke and fumes, dangerous to folk with respiratory conditions?

[staunchhibby]

Just hope those responsible do not travel to Molde and cause more bother.

[Smartie]

UEFA seem to run a pretty tight ship.

That's a couple of charges from this game, plus Lennon charged from the game in the Faroes.

Not that I'm against this - if you want to clamp down on stuff, punish it consistently when it is done.

[greenginger]

https://www.uefa.com/newsfiles/551778.pdf

Article 24 – Travel of visiting supporters
1 When security reasons render it inadvisable for supporters to travel to an away match, the match organiser and participating associations or clubs must do
everything possible to prevent supporters from travelling.
2 If more than 500 supporters are expected to travel to an away match, the visiting association or club concerned is required to appoint an adequate number of stewards
to accompany and assist supporters during their journeys to and from the venue and at the match, and to liaise between the public authorities and the supporters.

Presumably the charge is under Art 24(2). I would suggest that the first building block of our defence to that element of the charge sheet would be the fact that Asteras did not permit us to sell tickets to our own fans in order to ascertain a reasonable expectation as to the numbers that would travel. That, coupled with the fact we didn't fill the club's own charter, should be enough to resist a finding against Hibs on this charge, I would hope.

Was there proper segregation between the home support and our fans ?

[Iggy Pope]

Atmosphere? D’you mean smoke and fumes, dangerous to folk with respiratory conditions?

Are you that man or do you know of such a complainant that was there?

[Hermit Crab]

Tossers!!!


Stupid wee fan-dans - maybe they should have a look at the following alternative entertainment instead of costing Hibs money ..... https://www.netmums.com/activities/top-fireworks-displays-for-toddlers-this-bonfire-night


Just hope those responsible do not travel to Molde and cause more bother.



Talk about overreactions an no need for some of the comments, it was one flare in an open end. I didn't see or hear any complaints when they were getting set off in the square outside the Olive Green bar. Everyone was loving that.

[madjock9]

Ongoing investigation is there not with the police as well?

Either way both wrong both deserve punishment.

During Liverpool / Roma Game fights outside the ground 1 man seriously injured and Liverpool got a fine of €7000

https://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/soccer/soccer-news/liverpool-fined-7100-uefa-crowd-12980528

[Hermit Crab]

Was there proper segregation between the home support and our fans ?


If you mean the fence that was at least 30ft high with 3 rows of razor wire on it then yes, there was absolutely no way of opposing fans getting near each other inside the ground.

[Dalianwanda]

Talk about overreactions an no need for some of the comments, it was one flare in an open end. I didn't see or hear any complaints when they were getting set off in the square outside the Olive Green bar. Everyone was loving that.

It was a flare that everyone knows when set off was going to cost the club money, end of story.

[basehibby]

Atmosphere? D’you mean smoke and fumes, dangerous to folk with respiratory conditions?

Aye - like the atmosphere of the planet Venus!

Personally I don't find pyros add anything much apart from a restricted view to football matches - but I usually don't let them bother me much, not being asthmatic or anything. If it's costing Hibs money though??? Different matter - time for the wee wide-os to wind their necks in and find some other form of cheap thrills.

How about this for size .....

https://www.giftideas.co.uk/indoor-fireworks.html?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIn7Wk_qLb3AIVR7TtC h1TogsMEAQYAiABEgKcLfD_BwE

(https://www.giftideas.co.uk/indoor-fireworks.html?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIn7Wk_qLb3AIVR7TtC h1TogsMEAQYAiABEgKcLfD_BwE)

[basehibby]

Talk about overreactions an no need for some of the comments, it was one flare in an open end. I didn't see or hear any complaints when they were getting set off in the square outside the Olive Green bar. Everyone was loving that.

You going to pay the fine then???

[Famous Fiver]

Underscore

Oops. Age kicking in. Endorses my ability to be a steward!

I'll settle for Norway though!!!

[Ozyhibby]

Aberdeen got fined for not having stewards last season so no excuse for us not having them. Poor from the club. And poor from the ar******* with the pyro.


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[Kojock]

Talk about overreactions an no need for some of the comments, it was one flare in an open end. I didn't see or hear any complaints when they were getting set off in the square outside the Olive Green bar. Everyone was loving that.

There was a flare / smokebomb thrown onto the pitch. The amount of smoke delayed the restart after our goal. There was another guy holding a lit flare but didn't throw it.

[Hermit Crab]

There was a flare / smokebomb thrown onto the pitch. The amount of smoke delayed the restart after the match. There was another guy holding a lit flare but didn't throw it.


Somebody threw a bottle of suncream onto to pitch just missing Mallan, wonder if we're getting done for that as well?

[Joe6-2]

Talk about overreactions an no need for some of the comments, it was one flare in an open end. I didn't see or hear any complaints when they were getting set off in the square outside the Olive Green bar. Everyone was loving that.

This isn’t something to make light of when it costs the club money!

[Hermit Crab]

This isn’t something to make light of when it costs the club money!


Calling some of our fans tossers, erseholes and w***ers isn't something that should be done either which is what some posters are doing.

[Sir David Gray]

Talk about overreactions an no need for some of the comments, it was one flare in an open end. I didn't see or hear any complaints when they were getting set off in the square outside the Olive Green bar. Everyone was loving that.

The difference is UEFA aren't able to fine us for something done outside a pub.

Fans know these things are forbidden inside a football stadium and setting them off will result in a punishment. The idiot(s) responsible really should take a look at themselves.

[SunshineOnLeith]

A lone Asteras fan ran down the pitch after the final whistle. Didn’t see anyone other than that.

Don't know how we restrained ourselves from running on to confront him in the face of such severe and prolonged provocation.

[Lancs Harp]

Now this is a flare show. Insane.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWGAKCYfEc0

[Dalianwanda]

Calling some of our fans tossers, erseholes and w***ers isn't something that should be done either which is what some posters are doing.

That’s nothing to do with the fact we lost cash from someone doing something they knew was gonna cost the club money.

I dunno who was chucking bottles of sunscreen on the pitch but if caught i’d imagine that would be a fine too...obviously wasn’t seen.

[Thecat23]

Bah! These pesky kids creating atmosphere on foreign soil for old ****ers like us.

Why can't everyone just watch the game on a ropey Facebook stream?

WTF is that meant to mean? 😂

[Golden Bear]

They just don't get it do they?

It seems as though its always someone else's fault for spoiling the bairns enjoyment. Aw diddums.

[green day]

We were all daft laddies at one time, I find it difficult to feel too worried about this when the racism of some clubs in Italy, Russia and others goes (pretty much) unchecked.

Will cost a few quid and a slap on the wrist, but we wont be thrown out, lets move on.

[Humo]

In the grand scheme of things is a flare or smoke bomb really big deal?

In the eyes of our governing body and UEFA it's a bigger deal than sectarian behaviour, knife crime, homophobia and xenophobia.

But aye let's all get on a high horse for young guys having a great time at a cracking game of football that had a cracking atmosphere.

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[Blaster]

In the grand scheme of things is a flare or smoke bomb really big deal?

In the eyes of our governing body and UEFA it's a bigger deal than sectarian behaviour, knife crime, homophobia and xenophobia.

But aye let's all get on a high horse for young guys having a great time at a cracking game of football that had a cracking atmosphere.

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It’s the money coming out of Hibs budget that bothers me

[Hermit Crab]

It’s the money coming out of Hibs budget that bothers me


Relax, we've just scooped 4m big ones for SJM plus half a million in prize money for qualifying through the first 2 rounds. :greengrin

[CapitalGreen]

Aberdeen got fined for not having stewards last season so no excuse for us not having them. Poor from the club. And poor from the ar******* with the pyro.


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Fine probably less than it would cost us to organise our own stewards over in Greece.

[Barney McGrew]

In the grand scheme of things is a flare or smoke bomb really big deal?

In the eyes of our governing body and UEFA it's a bigger deal than sectarian behaviour, knife crime, homophobia and xenophobia.

But aye let's all get on a high horse for young guys having a great time at a cracking game of football that had a cracking atmosphere.

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If if it’s just a bit of fun and enjoyment, then I’m sure the young guys won’t mind footing the bill for any fine then?

[Thecat23]

It’s the money coming out of Hibs budget that bothers me

That’s the exact point which seems to be totally missed by grown men and woman. It’s not the fact it’s not a big deal it’s the fact it’s cost us money, how is that so hard to understand by many on here.

[Blaster]

Relax, we've just scooped 4m big ones for SJM plus half a million in prize money for qualifying through the first 2 rounds. :greengrin

And £2.92m when we qualify for the group stages. What’s a few flares eh 😉

[Humo]

If if it’s just a bit of fun and enjoyment, then I’m sure the young guys won’t mind footing the bill for any fine then?Tell you what when the fine gets handed to us I will start a crowd fund for it and we can see if we can donate the amount of the fine to HSL.

I wasn't part of it but loved seeing the flare while I was over there

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[Greenbeard]

That’s the exact point which seems to be totally missed by grown men and woman. It’s not the fact it’s not a big deal it’s the fact it’s cost us money, how is that so hard to understand by many on here.
My old man always said keep the cat indoors on Guy Fawkes night, he disnae like they flares.

Joking aside I'm with you 100%. Mr R Sole should be identified and made to pay the fine whatever it is. For those who say it's nothing, what if it trends and we get other eejits letting off smoke bombs and then multiple fines? Broken windae theory.

[Hermit Crab]

My old man always said keep the cat indoors on Guy Fawkes night, he disnae like they flares.

Joking aside I'm with you 100%. Mr R Sole should be identified and made to pay the fine whatever it is. For those who say it's nothing, what if it trends and we get other eejits letting off smoke bombs and then multiple fines? Broken windae theory.


Grassing up our own for a flare? :no way:

[CropleyWasGod]

Tell you what when the fine gets handed to us I will start a crowd fund for it and we can see if we can donate the amount of the fine to HSL.

I wasn't part of it but loved seeing the flare while I was over there

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Problem with "condoning" it like that is that the perps will take it as licence to do it again. The fines will get bigger, and more serious.

[Jim44]

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-scotland-35402735

[Iggy Pope]

WTF is that meant to mean? 😂

Ah. A man that doesn't get irony. Twittering agents quiet tonight then?

[Tarrahib]

There was a flare / smokebomb thrown onto the pitch. The amount of smoke delayed the restart after our goal. There was another guy holding a lit flare but didn't throw it.
Aye but why did have in his hand in the first place?

[Iggy Pope]

That’s the exact point which seems to be totally missed by grown men and woman. It’s not the fact it’s not a big deal it’s the fact it’s cost us money, how is that so hard to understand by many on here.

How much money is it costing?

[Hermit Crab]

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-scotland-35402735


Thats 36 months old that article.

[Tarrahib]

Aye but why did have in his hand in the first place?Oops sorry it went off in my hand.

[Tarrahib]

And £2.92m when we qualify for the group stages. What’s a few flares eh 😉
Easy come easy go.

[Jim44]

Thats 36 months old that article.

So what. That’s irrelevant.

[Hermit Crab]

So what. That’s irrelevant.


It's hardly a big problem in Scottish football. The authorities should concentrate on stamping out sectarianism, bigotry and racism instead of worrying about flares.

[Thecat23]

My old man always said keep the cat indoors on Guy Fawkes night, he disnae like they flares.

Joking aside I'm with you 100%. Mr R Sole should be identified and made to pay the fine whatever it is. For those who say it's nothing, what if it trends and we get other eejits letting off smoke bombs and then multiple fines? Broken windae theory.

😂 your old man is right!

But yeah, if they are costing the club money it’s simple don’t do it. If they were allowed then crack on. The idiots doing it wouldn’t be stepping forward to pay.

[Thecat23]

How much money is it costing?

We’ll soon find out. Does it matter or you happy that the club are being fined either way.

[Thecat23]

Ah. A man that doesn't get irony. Twittering agents quiet tonight then?

Yeah Iggy they are that!!!! Just you work on hanging out with the young team throwing smoke bombs 😂

[Hermit Crab]

We’ll soon find out. Does it matter or you happy that the club are being fined either way.


These things are available online for as little as £2.50 for flares and smoke bombs. Young impressionable lads that go to games are buying them all the time.

[Iggy Pope]

It's hardly a big problem in Scottish football. The authorities should concentrate on stamping out sectarianism, bigotry and racism instead of worrying about flares.

Tell you what intrigues me. Countless threads and countless more posts on the European travelling. Getting there, crowd size, ticket allocations, charter prices, places to meet, running buses, price of a pint, the nick of the locals.
Not a bit of interest from some and then a bit of bad news and wallop, all over it.

[Jim44]

It's hardly a big problem in Scottish football. The authorities should concentrate on stamping out sectarianism, bigotry and racism instead of worrying about flares.

Sorry, HC, but we’re miles apart on this one. I agree they should be stamping out the issues you mention but that doesn’t mitigate what I, and clearly a lot of other folk, consider stupid and costly (to the club) behaviour.

[SRHibs]

Tell you what intrigues me. Countless threads and countless more posts on the European travelling. Getting there, crowd size, ticket allocations, charter prices, places to meet, running buses, price of a pint, the nick of the locals.
Not a bit of interest from some and then a bit of bad news and wallop, all over it.

Can you actually give an example of this?

Even if the above was true, you don’t need to have gone to Greece to hold the opinion that the person who threw the smoke bomb/flare is a dobber.

[monarch]

Calling some of our fans tossers, erseholes and w***ers isn't something that should be done either which is what some posters are doing.

Why not if it causes the club to be fined. There’s always plenty of voices “advising” the board to splash the cash, somewhat ironic if the action of some tossers, erseholes and w*****s results in the club’s budget being reduced by having to pay out fines.

Ah forgot “it’s somebody else’s money not mine”

Can’t understand the selfish attention seeking mentality of some of the posters on this site.

:confused:

[Iggy Pope]

We’ll soon find out. Does it matter or you happy that the club are being fined either way.

Course it matters that's why I'm asking. You're the one focused on money on the thread. Why would I want the club fined? Are you doubting my credentials? Hope not.

[Hermit Crab]

Sorry, HC, but we’re miles apart on this one. I agree they should be stamping out the issues you mention but that doesn’t mitigate what I, and clearly a lot of other folk, consider stupid and costly (to the club) behaviour.


I guess it wont help if I say I actually don't have a problem with them and no, it wasn't me who threw the thing on the pitch!

[Iggy Pope]

Can you actually give an example of this?

Even if the above was true, you don’t need to have gone to Greece to hold the opinion that the person who threw the smoke bomb/flare is a dobber.

Do I really have to? The threads are all still here and so is this one.
And stop calling people names. Especially those that emanate out of the Weedge. It's most unbecoming.

[Thecat23]

Course it matters that's why I'm asking. You're the one focus groups on money on the thread. Why would I want the club fined? Are you doubting my credentials? Hope not.

I may disagree with a lot of your posts but no I’m not doubting your credentials. Sadly It will be in the thousands and that’s money we can’t afford to waste. Surely even you can see that?

[660]

A player told me the team really enjoyed the flares etc - wouldn’t be surprised if the excellent support spurred the team onto victory.

[Thecat23]

I guess it wont help if I say I actually don't have a problem with them and no, it wasn't me who threw the thing on the pitch!

Apart from them being illegal and some fans find them horrible as they can’t breathe. But yeah apart from also being fined let’s carry on.

[houstonhibbee]

It's hardly a big problem in Scottish football. The authorities should concentrate on stamping out sectarianism, bigotry and racism instead of worrying about flares.

The article says that Hibs management made an announcement to the fans during the game to not set off any flares, so youre arguing against Hibs not the authorities.....
Those culpable should as a minimum own up, offer to pay the fine and agree never to do it again

[Thecat23]

A player told me the team really enjoyed the flares etc - wouldn’t be surprised if the excellent support spurred the team onto victory.

The smoke bomb had absolutely zero effect on the game. The fans as a whole helped though minus that.

[Hermit Crab]

The article says that Hibs management made an announcement to the fans during the game to not set off any flares, so youre arguing against Hibs not the authorities.....
Those culpable should as a minimum own up, offer to pay the fine and agree never to do it again


Are you seriously suggesting you make some young lad (because lets face it, it would have been a young lad who threw thing) pay a thousands of Euros fine??? Get real!

[Jim44]

I guess it wont help if I say I actually don't have a problem with them and no, it wasn't me who threw the thing on the pitch!

It’s quite clear that you don’t have a problem with them and that’s you’re choice. My opinion is based on legality, safety and consequences. I never assumed for a minute that you were the culprit. A wee bit of me sees where you’re coming from but it’s at a price ( not just financial ) not worth paying.

[660]

The smoke bomb had absolutely zero effect on the game. The fans as a whole helped though minus that.

The player I spoke to mentioned the support and specifically the flares

[Hermit Crab]

It’s quite clear that you don’t have a problem with them and that’s you’re choice. My opinion is based on legality, safety and consequences. I never assumed for a minute that you were the culprit. A wee bit of me sees where you’re coming from but it’s at a price ( not just financial ) not worth paying.


Fair enough mate, I do agree with that part, its a shame they cause so many problems as I do think they add to the atmosphere.

[Iggy Pope]

I may disagree with a lot of your posts but no I’m not doubting your credentials. Sadly It will be in the thousands and that’s money we can’t afford to waste. Surely even you can see that?

Even me? Now I'm feeling a bit spoken down to.
And I never threw any flares, I wouldn't know where to start.

I understand the damage to the club as much as anyone and I expect it will be more of my money that's wasted than many on this thread.

Now, rather than waste any money I'm away to waste some time instead on one of those transfer threads.

[Thecat23]

It’s quite clear that you don’t have a problem with them and that’s you’re choice. My opinion is based on legality, safety and consequences. I never assumed for a minute that you were the culprit. A wee bit of me sees where you’re coming from but it’s at a price ( not just financial ) not worth paying.

Well said.

[Jim44]

A player told me the team really enjoyed the flares etc - wouldn’t be surprised if the excellent support spurred the team onto victory.


The player I spoke to mentioned the support and specifically the flares

Good for them, then. They might want to contribute some of their bonuses to the fine. :greengrin

[danhibees1875]

The smoke bomb had absolutely zero effect on the game. The fans as a whole helped though minus that.

Between smoke bomb and FT we lost 1-0. :greengrin

[Thecat23]

Even me? Now I'm feeling a bit spoken down to.
And I never threw any flares, I wouldn't know where to start.

I understand the damage to the club as much as anyone and I expect it will be more of my money that's wasted than many on this thread.

Now, rather than waste any money I'm away to waste some time instead on one of those transfer threads.

More like your money wasted? In what way?

I’d stay away from the transfer threads don’t want you getting all angry that some folk speak to players or agents. That’s like seeing a unicorn to some I know!!

Anyway have a lovely evening Iggy always great speaking to you it really is.

[Thecat23]

Between smoke bomb and FT we lost 1-0. :greengrin

😁 Right enough.

[Juniper Greens]

It's clear HC doesn't have a problem with flares, and doesn't much care about the arguments against them, so no need for him to continue posting on the subject then as it's going round in circles.

FWIW - My gripe is the money that it costs the club, and yes, it might "only" be £5k or something but that's about 250 match tickets (before tax etc). Every time this happens, that's another 250 tickets we might as well not have sold.

[bodhibs]

I don't get all this frothing, it's against the rules and illegal, what's the issue? Atmosphere or not it's costing us so must stop. Bams.

[Iggy Pope]

More like your money wasted? In what way?

I’d stay away from the transfer threads don’t want you getting all angry that some folk speak to players or agents. That’s like seeing a unicorn to some I know!!

Anyway have a lovely evening Iggy always great speaking to you it really is.

Come on now. I'm saying that I expect it will be more of my money wasted than some others on the thread. That's what I expect. Based on the money I have contributed and continue to contribute in various ways.

Not sure about the unicorn stuff, you've lost me. Maybe lose me a wee bit keener and we'll both be happy. I know you have devotees but I don't think you've ever posted anything on this site I've ever found useful or even slightly interesting.

[Thecat23]

Come on now. I'm saying that I expect it will be more of my money wasted than some others on the thread. That's what I expect. Based on the money I have contributed and continue to contribute in various ways.

Not sure about the unicorn stuff, you've lost me. Maybe lose me a wee bit keener and we'll both be happy. I know you have devotees but I don't think you've ever posted anything on this site I've ever found useful or even slightly interesting.

Like yourself many including me give a lot to the club not just buying a ST.

That’s fine, it’s a football forum, not everyone is going to like everyone’s posts. I’m not going to cry because Iggy doesn’t find my posts interesting I’m sure I’ll cope.

But again, I hope you have a lovely evening Iggy whatever you are doing, you cheeky chappy that you are!!

[JimboHibs]

Apart from them being illegal and some fans find them horrible as they can’t breathe. But yeah apart from also being fined let’s carry on.

You posted a few days ago 'I must have watched over 50 video clips of us in Greece and enjoyed everyone then you added a few 😂😂😂'

Save your reply as it will no doubt say none of they clips contained footage of a smoke bomb 🤔👋

[The Green Goblin]

It’s incredible that there’s even an argument over this. People are deliberately doing something they know full well will needlessly cost the club money. There’s more to Hibs than just transfer kittys. That money could be put towards the electricity bill, or maintaining the pitch at ER, or equipment for the youth teams, or community projects, or a thousand other things that Hibs need to take care of. It’s knowingly undermining the club and the work it is trying to do, so if it’s harming the club in any way, then no, it’s not justifiable under any circumstances.

[Sammy7nil]

A player told me the team really enjoyed the flares etc - wouldn’t be surprised if the excellent support spurred the team onto victory.

A player told me he thought the guy that threw the flare was a large C0CK

[bodhibs]

You posted a few days ago 'I must have watched over 50 video clips of us in Greece and enjoyed everyone then you added a few 😂😂😂'

Save your reply as it will no doubt say none of they clips contained footage of a smoke bomb 🤔👋

Is this really your reply? Oh my

[Skol]

The attitude of the pyrotechnic gang is not unlike the sectarian bigots.

We dont care what anyone thinks or the consequences we will carry on doing it as it adds to the atmosphere .

[cabbageandribs1875]

It's clear HC doesn't have a problem with flares, and doesn't much care about the arguments against them, so no need for him to continue posting on the subject then as it's going round in circles.

FWIW - My gripe is the money that it costs the club, and yes, it might "only" be £5k or something but that's about 250 match tickets (before tax etc). Every time this happens, that's another 250 tickets we might as well not have sold.


a very small minority simply won't/don't understand that

[Onion]

I don't get all this frothing, it's against the rules and illegal, what's the issue? Atmosphere or not it's costing us so must stop. Bams.

:agree: Makes no sense. Folk paying ££££ to show support for Hibs in Europe only to let off flares and cost the club money. Stupid doesn't begin to describe it.

[Iggy Pope]

Like yourself many including me give a lot to the club not just buying a ST.

That’s fine, it’s a football forum, not everyone is going to like everyone’s posts. I’m not going to cry because Iggy doesn’t find my posts interesting I’m sure I’ll cope.

But again, I hope you have a lovely evening Iggy whatever you are doing, you cheeky chappy that you are!!

I might have been replying to your post but I wasn't singling your contributions (or anyone else's) out. It's just my opinion.

And your patronisingly unfunny crap at the end of each post does nowt to add any interest.

[JimboHibs]

Is this really your reply? Oh my

Oh my what ?

So we have a poster calling out folk but also saying they enjoy watching footage of the events !!

It's hypocritical.

[Iggy Pope]

The attitude of the pyrotechnic gang is not unlike the sectarian bigots.

We dont care what anyone thinks or the consequences we will carry on doing it as it adds to the atmosphere .

To be fair I'm not sure you've got any of the pyrotechnic gang involved on the thread. Comparing the behaviour to sectarianism is some leap though.

[Sammy7nil]

Oh my what ?

So we have a poster calling out folk but also saying they enjoy watching footage of the events !!

It's hypocritical.

Did he say I loved that flare it really added to the atmosphere and my overall enjoyment ?:cb

[Iggy Pope]

Did he say I loved that flare it really added to the atmosphere and my overall enjoyment ?:cb

Has anyone come close to saying this?

[Sammy7nil]

Has anyone come close to saying this?

No that is my point :wink:

[Thecat23]

I might have been replying to your post but I wasn't singling your contributions (or anyone else's) out. It's just my opinion.

And your patronisingly unfunny crap at the end of each post does nowt to add any interest.

😁👍🏼👍🏼

[SquashedFrogg]

Are you seriously suggesting you make some young lad (because lets face it, it would have been a young lad who threw thing) pay a thousands of Euros fine??? Get real!

How much did it cost for the 'young lads' Greek trip? Doesn't sound like a school boy spending his pocket money.

[Hibbyradge]

A player told me the team really enjoyed the flares etc - wouldn’t be surprised if the excellent support spurred the team onto victory.

Really?

Which player?

[Jim Herriot]

Just a thought. The problem seems to be the potential health hazard. Would Easter Road, or UEFA, have a problem with confetti cannons?

https://www.confettimaster.com/bespoke-confetti-cannons.html

[houstonhibbee]

Fair enough mate, I do agree with that part, its a shame they cause so many problems as I do think they add to the atmosphere.

and if EUFA say that any repetition will result in the club being ejected from the tournament what will be your position then?

[Hermit Crab]

and if EUFA say that any repetition will result in the club being ejected from the tournament what will be your position then?


Away you go, Celtic have been warned by UEFA countless times and not been thrown out, have a look at the Italian, French and Dutch clubs when they play Europe, a lot worse than us.

[Hermit Crab]

How much did it cost for the 'young lads' Greek trip? Doesn't sound like a school boy spending his pocket money.


No but it didn't cost them 50 grand either....

[houstonhibbee]

Away you go, Celtic have been warned by UEFA countless times and not been thrown out, have a look at the Italian, French and Dutch clubs when they play Europe, a lot worse than us.

so you wont answer the question then.............

[Hermit Crab]

so you wont answer the question then.............


What will be my position? Everyone has choices to make and if someone makes the wrong choice then what can you do about it?

[Dalianwanda]

Just a thought. The problem seems to be the potential health hazard. Would Easter Road, or UEFA, have a problem with confetti cannons?

https://www.confettimaster.com/bespoke-confetti-cannons.html

The cleaners might 😉

[Onion]

The mentality of the folk letting off flares at European away games knowing that it will damage the club's reputation and cost the club £££ in fines have the very same mentality as the idiots who ignored the celebrations at Hampden in May 2016 and were more concerned with noising up some meaningless Sevco fans.

[eastcoasthibby]

It's clear HC doesn't have a problem with flares, and doesn't much care about the arguments against them, so no need for him to continue posting on the subject then as it's going round in circles.

FWIW - My gripe is the money that it costs the club, and yes, it might "only" be £5k or something but that's about 250 match tickets (before tax etc). Every time this happens, that's another 250 tickets we might as well not have sold.
5k this time anything else or a repeat and you can count on the fine doubling at least and probably more on the basis that ....the numpty minority havent learned, so a ramped.up fine will happen.
Anyone want to give odds on, one or two or a few of our selfish detached, only interested in what they think creates an atmosphere, not setting off a flare or smoke bomb or two during either or both of the Molde games ??
If it happens ..forget the dobbing folk in is wrong brigade !..they will be taking the P/££ out of the.club, the other fans and UEFA ...and deserve to be singled out for it, we have had our warning.

[Liam978]

[QUOTE=Hermit Crab;5501341]Talk about overreactions an no need for some of the comments, it was one flare in an open end. I didn't see or hear any complaints when they were getting set off in the square outside the Olive Green bar. Everyone was loving that.



Maybe you never but there were plenty locals complaining. You'll be telling us next that you never knew there was a fire ban due to the recent sad events.

[basehibby]

Relax, we've just scooped 4m big ones for SJM plus half a million in prize money for qualifying through the first 2 rounds. :greengrin

NOT This - if we get fined even a paltry 5 grand or so it's still ten plus fans' season ticket money literally up in smoke that should have been spent on our football team.

[Hibbyradge]

This - if we get fined even a paltry 5 grand or so it's still ten plus fans' season ticket money literally up in smoke that should have been spent on our football team.

Oh come on!

Surely it's worth Hibs losing £5000 if a couple of Hibs fans got a right good cheapie out of it?

[andybev1]

UEFA seem to run a pretty tight ship.

That's a couple of charges from this game, plus Lennon charged from the game in the Faroes.

Not that I'm against this - if you want to clamp down on stuff, punish it consistently when it is done.


Maybe they should be in charge of bigoted behaviour inside scottish grounds.

[Kojock]

Aye but why did have in his hand in the first place?

HC stated it was only one flare, I was merely pointing out that there were two flares (one thrown on the pitch and the other was held in the air) plus a smoke bomb.

[Billy Whizz]

HC stated it was only one flare, I was merely pointing out that there were two flares (one thrown on the pitch and the other was held in the air) plus a smoke bomb.

All from Hibs fans?

[Viva_Palmeiras]

And yet the near riot in Glasgow that resulted in two Croatian football fans being stabbed is not an issue for UEFA with neither club being sanctioned. They need to get their priorities right!

Dont deflect. We’re talking about fan conduct within the stadium not much of a leg to stand on.

[basehibby]

Oh come on!

Surely it's worth Hibs losing £5000 if a couple of Hibs fans got a right good cheapie out of it?

Thing is Radge - I don't even get my cheapies out of it - in fact I happen to think that smoke bombs etc are a bit crap, and a pain in the erse - creating an unwelcome distraction (well we are Hibees and our football is actually worth seeing at the moment!) from the main event and maybe even blocking out the action for some.

And yes I DO like an atmosphere at the football - but I prefer when it's one that I can breathe.

[Kojock]

All from Hibs fans?

Yes

[Smartie]

Maybe they should be in charge of bigoted behaviour inside scottish grounds.

I do think the Scottish football authorities could take a leaf out of their book.

UEFA aren't tying themselves in knots trying to work out what to do. When the bigots stepped out of line they were punished and even quietened down for a while. We've broken rules and we are being punished, no grey areas, no questions asked.

Clearly the problem in Scotland is that there is not desire to eradicate lots of different types of bad behaviour.

Putting aside the rights and wrongs of what went on and whether or not the punishment is suitable, UEFA have made rules and when they have been broken they have punished clubs accordingly - even away fans in someone else's ground.

I have a bit of respect for that.

[Billy Whizz]

I do think the Scottish football authorities could take a leaf out of their book.

UEFA aren't tying themselves in knots trying to work out what to do. When the bigots stepped out of line they were punished and even quietened down for a while. We've broken rules and we are being punished, no grey areas, no questions asked.

Clearly the problem in Scotland is that there is not desire to eradicate lots of different types of bad behaviour.

Putting aside the rights and wrongs of what went on and whether or not the punishment is suitable, UEFA have made rules and when they have been broken they have punished clubs accordingly - even away fans in someone else's ground.

I have a bit of respect for that.

Smartie, you make some interesting and valid points. If the SFA had a similar policy to UEFA, maybe we might see some change in Scotland. However Uefa hand out a lot of money, and expect certain standards in exchange for that

[Hibbyradge]

Thing is Radge - I don't even get my cheapies out of it - in fact I happen to think that smoke bombs etc are a bit crap, and a pain in the erse - creating an unwelcome distraction (well we are Hibees and our football is actually worth seeing at the moment!) from the main event and maybe even blocking out the action for some.

And yes I DO like an atmosphere at the football - but I prefer when it's one that I can breathe.

I was being sarcastic. I agree with you.

[Glory Lurker]

If Hibs take a financial hit for this, then i’d hope the culprits can be identified and banned.

[BullsCloseHibs]

Watched a few videos from Tripolis. What a trip that was! Great seeing such a big Hibs support in full flow before and during the game. Magnificent!

[sixtwo]

If Hibs take a financial hit for this, then i’d hope the culprits can be identified and banned.

I was there. The atmosphere was fantastic. The pyro was not needed. I don’t want to see anybody banned. They are obviously Hibs daft. I do want to see an end to this. Put it down to exuberance

[Carheenlea]

If Hibs take a financial hit for this, then i’d hope the culprits can be identified and banned.

I wouldn’t be banning anyone who made the effort to travel half way across Europe to support the team and contribute to a travelling support and atmosphere that spurred the team on to win the tie.
I honestly thought smoke bombs and flares were allowed in Europe given the countless footage of them on YouTube etc. Every chance the young guys maybe thought the same.

[bodhibs]

I wouldn’t be banning anyone who made the effort to travel half way across Europe to support the team and contribute to a travelling support and atmosphere that spurred the team on to win the tie.
I honestly thought smoke bombs and flares were allowed in Europe given the countless footage of them on YouTube etc. Every chance the young guys maybe thought the same.


We have a long long way to go it seems 🙄

[Geo_1875]

I wouldn’t be banning anyone who made the effort to travel half way across Europe to support the team and contribute to a travelling support and atmosphere that spurred the team on to win the tie.
I honestly thought smoke bombs and flares were allowed in Europe given the countless footage of them on YouTube etc. Every chance the young guys maybe thought the same.

Ignorance isn't a defence.

[Hibbyradge]

I wouldn’t be banning anyone who made the effort to travel half way across Europe to support the team and contribute to a travelling support and atmosphere that spurred the team on to win the tie.
I honestly thought smoke bombs and flares were allowed in Europe given the countless footage of them on YouTube etc. Every chance the young guys maybe thought the same.

I doubt anyone thinks chucking flares into the opposition 18 yard box is allowed.

[Sylar]

I doubt anyone thinks chucking flares into the opposition 18 yard box is allowed.

But, but, the Italians...! :rolleyes:

[Juniper Greens]

I wouldn’t be banning anyone who made the effort to travel half way across Europe to support the team and contribute to a travelling support and atmosphere that spurred the team on to win the tie.
I honestly thought smoke bombs and flares were allowed in Europe given the countless footage of them on YouTube etc. Every chance the young guys maybe thought the same.
oh dear

[SRHibs]

oh dear

Proper uber fan stuff there.

[green&left]

Thought I was reading kickback there for a minute. Geez peace.

[bodhibs]

I wouldn’t be banning anyone who made the effort to travel half way across Europe to support the team and contribute to a travelling support and atmosphere that spurred the team on to win the tie.
I honestly thought smoke bombs and flares were allowed in Europe given the countless footage of them on YouTube etc. Every chance the young guys maybe thought the same.

they traveled and should, hence be immune to any any action for being a massive roaster?

Is that how it works?

[Glory Lurker]

I was there. The atmosphere was fantastic. The pyro was not needed. I don’t want to see anybody banned. They are obviously Hibs daft. I do want to see an end to this. Put it down to exuberance


I wouldn’t be banning anyone who made the effort to travel half way across Europe to support the team and contribute to a travelling support and atmosphere that spurred the team on to win the tie.
I honestly thought smoke bombs and flares were allowed in Europe given the countless footage of them on YouTube etc. Every chance the young guys maybe thought the same.

I don’t see any of this making up for the club being out of pocket, assuming we do get a fine. It needs to stop.

[Billy Whizz]

I doubt anyone thinks chucking flares into the opposition 18 yard box is allowed.

You’ve obviously never met him HR. Think he’s just saying what he thinks happens in Europe all the time. A gentler man, you’ll never meet

Like me, I’m sure, he wished we didn’t do these sort of things

[Hibbyradge]

You’ve obviously never met him HR. Think he’s just saying what he thinks happens in Europe all the time. A gentler man, you’ll never meet

Like me, I’m sure, he wished we didn’t do these sort of things

I meant the people who threw the flare

[basehibby]

I was being sarcastic. I agree with you.

Yes - but I was trying to out-trump your sarcasm with even more sarcasm - you can never get enough sarcasm (he said sarcastically)

But I think we both agree - smoke bombs and flares are pish and for grown up bairns that never grew up - they block my view and make me bump my gums like a grumpy old trout. And the smoke-bomb-eestas (or is that eejits?) may harumph that you and me are spoilsports but they are costing Hibs more money than they put in - and for that reason deserve to be bombed, smoked - and yes, even made to wear flares for as long as they all shall live - so there!

[vercol36]

A player told me the team really enjoyed the flares etc - wouldn’t be surprised if the excellent support spurred the team onto victory.

Another player told me that he didn't like it very much at all. Not one but. And he said the other player who told you it was good is considered a bit of a loose canon by the rest of the team.

[Carheenlea]

Lessons will be learned I’m sure, and those travelling to Denmark next week will be reminded by the club of the consequences of letting off such devices in European competition. Far worse things happen in football grounds than the odd flare getting let off, but if the rules state clubs will be punished then there isn’t really really any arguement to be had. But a lot of young guys away on a trip with their mates to see Hibs, the chances are rationale behaviour will go out the window.

[Hibbyradge]

Yes - but I was trying to out-trump your sarcasm with even more sarcasm - you can never get enough sarcasm (he said sarcastically)

But I think we both agree - smoke bombs and flares are pish and for grown up bairns that never grew up - they block my view and make me bump my gums like a grumpy old trout. And the smoke-bomb-eestas (or is that eejits?) may harumph that you and me are spoilsports but they are costing Hibs more money than they put in - and for that reason deserve to be bombed, smoked - and yes, even made to wear flares for as long as they all shall live - so there!

:not worth

[BoomtownHibees]

Lessons will be learned I’m sure, and those travelling to Denmark next week will be reminded by the club of the consequences of letting off such devices in European competition. Far worse things happen in football grounds than the odd flare getting let off, but if the rules state clubs will be punished then there isn’t really really any arguement to be had. But a lot of young guys away on a trip with their mates to see Hibs, the chances are rationale behaviour will go out the window.

Hope they make it to Norway and no Denmark

[vercol36]

Every chance the young guys maybe thought the same.

It's a fair point Carheenlea. But it would also be fair to make the young guys foot the bill as a learning experience surely?

[Carheenlea]

Hope they make it to Norway and no Denmark

I’m on medication at the moment - the tablets must be as strong as I was warned :dizzy:
Best retire to bed before posting any more nonsense!

[Billy Whizz]

I’m on medication at the moment - the tablets must be as strong as I was warned :dizzy:
Best retire to bed before posting any more nonsense!

Best Carheenlea😄

[barcahibs]

Just a thought. The problem seems to be the potential health hazard. Would Easter Road, or UEFA, have a problem with confetti cannons?

https://www.confettimaster.com/bespoke-confetti-cannons.html

Yayy let's throw some litter about?

[Greenbeard]

A message for the Tripolis bomber(s).....

Your bomb was smokin’,
Your bomb was smokin’,
Ars*hole, ars*hole, ars*hole, ars*hole,
Your bomb was smokin’,
Your bomb was smokin’,
You bought it,
You hid it,
You lit it,
You heaved it.

My eyes are burnin’,
My eyes are burnin’,
Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you,
My eyes are burnin’,
My eyes are burnin’,
You’re stupid,
And mindless,
Cost Hibs dear,
They’ll fine us.

[Hibbyradge]

A message for the Tripolis bomber(s).....

Your bomb was smokin’,
Your bomb was smokin’,
Ars*hole, ars*hole, ars*hole, ars*hole,
Your bomb was smokin’,
Your bomb was smokin’,
You bought it,
You hid it,
You lit it,
You heaved it.

My eyes are burnin’,
My eyes are burnin’,
Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you,
My eyes are burnin’,
My eyes are burnin’,
You’re stupid,
And mindless,
Cost Hibs dear,
They’ll fine us.

:hilarious

:top marks

[Roxyhibee]

A message for the Tripolis bomber(s).....

Your bomb was smokin’,
Your bomb was smokin’,
Ars*hole, ars*hole, ars*hole, ars*hole,
Your bomb was smokin’,
Your bomb was smokin’,
You bought it,
You hid it,
You lit it,
You heaved it.

My eyes are burnin’,
My eyes are burnin’,
Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you,
My eyes are burnin’,
My eyes are burnin’,
You’re stupid,
And mindless,
Cost Hibs dear,
They’ll fine us.

Talent.! And true.

[Hibrandenburg]

Anyone who damages the club's reputation or damages them financially can't be considered to be a supporter. In fact they're exactly the opposite.

[barcahibs]

Nice thread here where George Craig talks about how he's grateful for Hibs.net's donation of £7000 and how he'll use it to help refurbish some facilities at East Mains.

http://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?328832-Hibs-net-Donation-to-the-Club&p=5331303#post5331303

Just for anyone thinking the fine isnt a huge amount of money and won't be noticed.

[Hibbyradge]

Nice thread here where George Craig talks about how he's grateful for Hibs.net's donation of £7000 and how he'll use it to help refurbish some facilities at East Mains.

http://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?328832-Hibs-net-Donation-to-the-Club&p=5331303#post5331303

Just for anyone thinking the fine isnt a huge amount of money and won't be noticed.

Great research.

[Glory Lurker]

Anyone who damages the club's reputation or damages them financially can't be considered to be a supporter. In fact they're exactly the opposite.

:agree:

[Jim Herriot]

Yayy let's throw some litter about?

It's just an idea. I agree there would be implications for the cleaners, but it would be preferable to smoke bombs.

(From the site mentioned: "
All our confetti is flame ******ant, and conforms to NEN-EN-ISO 6941 and is suitable for use in public venues, ie schools, theatres, clubs etc. All our non-metallic confetti is biodegradable.")

Edit: darned swear-word filter...

[NaeTechnoHibby]

Yes - but I was trying to out-trump your sarcasm with even more sarcasm - you can never get enough sarcasm (he said sarcastically)

But I think we both agree - smoke bombs and flares are pish and for grown up bairns that never grew up - they block my view and make me bump my gums like a grumpy old trout. And the smoke-bomb-eestas (or is that eejits?) may harumph that you and me are spoilsports but they are costing Hibs more money than they put in - and for that reason deserve to be bombed, smoked - and yes, even made to wear flares for as long as they all shall live - so there!

Best post oan this thread :hibees made me laugh out loud :greengrin

I agree with all this :aok::cb :agree:

[Allant1981]

Anyone who damages the club's reputation or damages them financially can't be considered to be a supporter. In fact they're exactly the opposite.

sorry thats just rubbish, i dont agree with the flares being set off but to suggest they arent suporters is just rubbish when they have travelled over there to support the club in th efirst place

[Jack]

Hope they make it to Norway and no Denmark

I hope they only make it to Denmark.

[pacoluna]

Holding the flare is fine throwing it on the pitch isn't, how the hell did they manage to get it in the stadium though when I got my sun cream taking off me!

[Hermit Crab]

Holding the flare is fine throwing it on the pitch isn't, how the hell did they manage to get it in the stadium though when I got my sun cream taking off me!


Somebody launched a huge bottle of the stuff over the fence at the goal just missing Mallan

[Hibrandenburg]

sorry thats just rubbish, i dont agree with the flares being set off but to suggest they arent suporters is just rubbish when they have travelled over there to support the club in th efirst place

But they're not supporting the club, they're damaging it financially.

[hibsbollah]

But they're not supporting the club, they're damaging it financially.

Of course they're supporters, dont be ridiculous.
Was everyone who 'entered the field of play' at the Cup final 'non supporters?' They cost the club financially as well.

Nobody wants to see the club fined, of course, but some of the indignant outrage on this thread is a bit embarrassing.

[Bostonhibby]

sorry thats just rubbish, i dont agree with the flares being set off but to suggest they arent suporters is just rubbish when they have travelled over there to support the club in th efirst placeIt's a moot point as to what constitutes supporting the club. I've been to a couple of away trips where there's been a few folk so bladdered it's a miracle they got into the ground.

A fair bit of what they shout at the players isn't supportive. On one occasion a muppet swung a punch at an actual supporter who objected to the drunks reference to the rest of us as part time supporters. Ironically he got decked by a hibby and both got ejected.

If what you do harms the club I'm not sure it's very supportive . putting it right would be.

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[Allant1981]

But they're not supporting the club, they're damaging it financially.

they were supporting the club, to suggest otherwise is daft, do you think they went all the way over there with the thought in their head that the club would get a fine

[The Green Goblin]

Nice thread here where George Craig talks about how he's grateful for Hibs.net's donation of £7000 and how he'll use it to help refurbish some facilities at East Mains.

http://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?328832-Hibs-net-Donation-to-the-Club&p=5331303#post5331303

Just for anyone thinking the fine isnt a huge amount of money and won't be noticed.

Spot on. I made this point earlier in the thread, minus a specific example. Cheers for providing one. 👍

[CentreLine]

Away you go, Celtic have been warned by UEFA countless times and not been thrown out, have a look at the Italian, French and Dutch clubs when they play Europe, a lot worse than us.

The problem is that clubs from the countries you quote can absorb the large fines. Scottish football, and therefore Hibs, are starved of the kind of cash these clubs live on. They talk in hundreds of millions in transfer fees because they are not neglected by TV company cash.
Getting Hibs any sort of progress in Europe has to be a collective effort involving club and fans. If fans misbehave it makes a serious dent in our income and has a direct affect on our ability to compete. You need to drop the whataboutery and see the bigger picture.
Behaving within the rules means getting behind Hibernian FC 👍🏻

[green&left]

The problem is that clubs from the countries you quote can absorb the large fines. Scottish football, and therefore Hibs, are starved of the kind of cash these clubs live on. They talk in hundreds of millions in transfer fees because they are not neglected by TV company cash.
Getting Hibs any sort of progress in Europe has to be a collective effort involving club and fans. If fans misbehave it makes a serious dent in our income and has a direct affect on our ability to compete. You need to drop the whataboutery and see the bigger picture.
Behaving within the rules means getting behind Hibernian FC 👍🏻

It'll be about a £5k fine taking out of the quarter of a million pound prize money.

Hibs are that concerned and outraged about the pyrotechnics they included the pre-match smoke bomb and flare in their official social media video footage :faf:

[CentreLine]

Of course they're supporters, dont be ridiculous.
Was everyone who 'entered the field of play' at the Cup final 'non supporters?' They cost the club financially as well.

Nobody wants to see the club fined, of course, but some of the indignant outrage on this thread is a bit embarrassing.

I think you are missing the point. The comment seems to be making the point that support is financial. You are a fan if you run about waving flags, cheer on the team etc. but you are a supporter if your hard earned money going in to the club outweighs any cost that the club incurred as a result of your presence or actions. Maybe the postr will come back and confirm that.

Semantics eh!

[Iggy Pope]

Of course they're supporters, dont be ridiculous.
Was everyone who 'entered the field of play' at the Cup final 'non supporters?' They cost the club financially as well.

Nobody wants to see the club fined, of course, but some of the indignant outrage on this thread is a bit embarrassing.

Spot on.
This can be some forum. Here was me thinking the establishment lot were on the other side. This thread is full of self-righteous holy seethe.

[Billy Whizz]

So what have Hibs done wrong with the stewarding to get a fine. Thought I read somewhere that we had our own security in place?
I wasn’t in Greece unfortunately, so not really sure what the issue was, although I’m sure we’d be aware of our responsibilities

[Hibrandenburg]

I think you are missing the point. The comment seems to be making the point that support is financial. You are a fan if you run about waving flags, cheer on the team etc. but you are a supporter if your hard earned money going in to the club outweighs any cost that the club incurred as a result of your presence or actions. Maybe the postr will come back and confirm that.

Semantics eh!

Correct. Hibs follower or fan might be appropriate, but you can't call yourself a supporter of something you're wilfully damaging.

[Phil MaGlass]

Of course they're supporters, dont be ridiculous.
Was everyone who 'entered the field of play' at the Cup final 'non supporters?' They cost the club financially as well.

Nobody wants to see the club fined, of course, but some of the indignant outrage on this thread is a bit embarrassing.

This, also, if it was young laddies, we have all been there, getting caught up in the moment, not really thinking of the consequences. I would also like to think aftr all the condonig on here they may have well regretted what they have done.
Maybe a degree of self policing wouldnt go amiss. Some of the comments on here about their behaviour has been laughable and OTT. Our fans are not animals, how about UEFA/SFA taking the huns to task for bigotry and the stabbings, if more were done in that direction football would be more enjoyable and you would only be getting a slap on the wrist for letting off flares.

[JimboHibs]

Correct. Hibs follower or fan might be appropriate, but you can't call yourself a supporter of something you're wilfully damaging.

Nonsense.

[The Green Goblin]

Spot on.
This can be some forum. Here was me thinking the establishment lot were on the other side. This thread is full of self-righteous holy seethe.

I don’t like it when the club loses money needlessly which could be spent on other things.

That said, maybe I’ll follow the flare lighters’ example and do what I feel like at the game tomorrow...smash a few toilets, damage the scanners at the gates, break some seats on the way out. It’ll cost Hibs a good bit of money, but they can afford it, right? The main thing is it’s what I want to do and it’ll be a good laugh.

[Scott Allan Key]

UEFA seem to run a pretty tight ship.

That's a couple of charges from this game, plus Lennon charged from the game in the Faroes.

Not that I'm against this - if you want to clamp down on stuff, punish it consistently when it is done.

No doubt excepting whether Sevco were singing party songs like they usually do. If so, where are their sanctions. It is ‘strict liability’, isn’t it?


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[where'stheslope]

This, also, if it was young laddies, we have all been there, getting caught up in the moment, not really thinking of the consequences. I would also like to think aftr all the condonig on here they may have well regretted what they have done.
Maybe a degree of self policing wouldnt go amiss. Some of the comments on here about their behaviour has been laughable and OTT. Our fans are not animals, how about UEFA/SFA taking the huns to task for bigotry and the stabbings, if more were done in that direction football would be more enjoyable and you would only be getting a slap on the wrist for letting off flares.
Stabbings can only be delt with by the Police!
But, on the bigotry Police were involved, but I think Parliment changed the laws?
I would prefer if we all just went to enjoy the football and get rid of all the histrionics that appear to be bringing our club down!!!

[GIBBY NEWTON]

I don’t like it when the club loses money needlessly which could be spent on other things.

That said, maybe I’ll follow the flare lighters’ example and do what I feel like at the game tomorrow...smash a few toilets, damage the scanners at the gates, break some seats on the way out. It’ll cost Hibs a good bit of money, but they can afford it, right? The main thing is it’s what I want to do and it’ll be a good laugh.

Well Said !!!!!! GGTTH

[happiehibbie]

Best post oan this thread :hibees made me laugh out loud :greengrin

I agree with all this :aok::cb :agree:


This gets my vote

[Kojock]

No doubt excepting whether Sevco were singing party songs like they usually do. If so, where are their sanctions. It is ‘strict liability’, isn’t it?


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Rangers singing party songs didn’t delay play in their game. The flare on the pitch at our game delayed the restart after our goal. I don’t know if this is the reason for Uefas stance.

[CropleyWasGod]

No doubt excepting whether Sevco were singing party songs like they usually do. If so, where are their sanctions. It is ‘strict liability’, isn’t it?


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Were they, though? I know we assume it, but....

[Iggy Pope]

I don’t like it when the club loses money needlessly which could be spent on other things.

That said, maybe I’ll follow the flare lighters’ example and do what I feel like at the game tomorrow...smash a few toilets, damage the scanners at the gates, break some seats on the way out. It’ll cost Hibs a good bit of money, but they can afford it, right? The main thing is it’s what I want to do and it’ll be a good laugh.

And now you've gone off on one true to type and in line with others on this sorrowful thread.

[The Green Goblin]

And now you've gone off on one true to type and in line with others on this sorrowful thread.

That’s not even an answer, never mind a counter argument. Just a wee dig. Happy to be debated, but you’ve offered nothing at all.

[Jack]

This, also, if it was young laddies, we have all been there, getting caught up in the moment, not really thinking of the consequences. I would also like to think aftr all the condonig on here they may have well regretted what they have done.
Maybe a degree of self policing wouldnt go amiss. Some of the comments on here about their behaviour has been laughable and OTT. Our fans are not animals, how about UEFA/SFA taking the huns to task for bigotry and the stabbings, if more were done in that direction football would be more enjoyable and you would only be getting a slap on the wrist for letting off flares.

They werent getting caught up in the moment. They bought them before the match with the intention of setting them off there.

If they took them from the UK they're lucky they weren't arrested at the airport!

[Iggy Pope]

That’s not even an answer, never mind a counter argument. Just a wee dig. Happy to be debated, but you’ve offered nothing at all.

Why do you need a counter argument man? You're looking for a debate on smashing up toilets and scanners and stuff. Seriously? None of this happened. Like I said, you went off on one. Self indulgent posts like yours are the offering of nothing much at all.
The issue looks like it's been discussed about as far as it can and I can assure you there is more outrage amongst those on this thread than there was from anyone at the game, at the time..

European tie.
Flare set off.
Shock waves throughout the continent. (Well, this miniscule corner of it anyway).

I think I'll sit back, having neither used a flare or smashed up a bog at any time in my puff, and wait on the outcome of the disciplinary and see what the Hibs have to say about it all. And maybe an edit on that wee Hibs Media shoot taking all the nasty stuff out might be next. The one so previously admired.

[JimboHibs]

If Hibs take a financial hit for this, then i’d hope the culprits can be identified and banned.

Are you suggesting that members of the board should be banned or removed ?

You do realise the club itself failed to supply club stewards at the tie and there will be financial implications for this misdemenour.

[Billy Whizz]

Are you suggesting that members of the board should be banned or removed ?

You do realise the club itself failed to supply club stewards at the tie and there will be financial implications for this misdemenour.

I thought we did supply stewards, but they were in the wrong place?

[Hibernia&Alba]

UEFA are very strict on anything like pyrotechnics. It's great that we have fans who will travel to such places and get behind the team, but let's be smart, eh. Anything which gets us into trouble can only be counterproductive. Our fans can make a terrific atmosphere without flares and smoke bombs.

[marinello59]

Are you suggesting that members of the board should be banned or removed ?

You do realise the club itself failed to supply club stewards at the tie and there will be financial implications for this misdemenour.

Hibs should get away with the steward issue. How could our club know how many were going to be there when it was the home club who dealt with the tickets. The blazers at UEFA are no better than the ones at the SFA.

[Billy Whizz]

Hibs should get away with the steward issue. How could our club know how many were going to be there when it was the home club who dealt with the tickets. The blazers at UEFA are no better than the ones at the SFA.

Maybe that’s why we’re selling the Molde tickets ourselves

[JimboHibs]

Hibs should get away with the steward issue. How could our club know how many were going to be there when it was the home club who dealt with the tickets. The blazers at UEFA are no better than the ones at the SFA.

If the club didn't do due diligence on the number of supporters potentially turning up that is no fault of UEFA,because we didn't sell any tickets for the game is no excuse,this action will most likely have financial implications,should we demand that any fine be paid out of the pockets of the club directors,should we find out who the culprit or culprits are and ban them from the club or is that only for the smoke bomb throwers.

[Hibrandenburg]

they were supporting the club, to suggest otherwise is daft, do you think they went all the way over there with the thought in their head that the club would get a fine

They went all the way over there and at some point bought a flare that they intended to set off in the stadium. They'd have had to have lived under a rock for several years to not realise that this could lead to Hibs being fined. We have to conclude that the financial loss that Hibs will now incur was taken into account by the individual who bought and ignited it. That's hardly the actions of someone supporting the club and more the actions of a fanny who's own selfish pleasure takes priority over the well being of his fellow supporters and the club they claim to support.

[Hibrandenburg]

Nonsense.

Aye, thanks for your input :rolleyes:

[green day]

If the club didn't do due diligence on the number of supporters potentially turning up that is no fault of UEFA,because we didn't sell any tickets for the game is no excuse,this action will most likely have financial implications,should we demand that any fine be paid out of the pockets of the club directors,should we find out who the culprit or culprits are and ban them from the club or is that only for the smoke bomb throwers.

This is one of the biggest piles of Tom Kite I have ever read :rolleyes:

Hibs were not selling tickets to this match, and how the hell are Hibs supposed to do "due diligence" on numbers of fans who are in Greece independently (i.e. almost all of them)?

[JimboHibs]

This is one of the biggest piles of Tom Kite I have ever read :rolleyes:

Hibs were not selling tickets to this match, and how the hell are Hibs supposed to do "due diligence" on numbers of fans who are in Greece independently (i.e. almost all of them)?

So it's not the clubs fault that we broke the rules,now that's one of the biggest piles of Tom Kite I have read 🙄

[green day]

So it's not the clubs fault that we broke the rules,now that's one of the biggest piles of Tom Kite I have read 🙄

The rule is nonsensical - Hibs had stewards there, just not enough as we (a) cant force people to tell us they are going, and (b) didnt sell the tickets, the greeks did.

So, again, let me know how we could do due diligence, as you called it??

[JimboHibs]

The rule is nonsensical - Hibs had stewards there, just not enough as we (a) cant force people to tell us they are going, and (b) didnt sell the tickets, the greeks did.

So, again, let me know how we could do due diligence, as you called it??

Sold our own tickets 👍 there's our due diligence.