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Captain Trips
27-05-2018, 06:58 AM
My wife and I were sitting at a table in a beer garden yesterday. There were still quite a few tables free a couple in the shade but 2 or 3 the same as ours.

A couple in their probably 60s decided to sit at end of our table as in the sun didn't ask if OK or ask if anyone else was sitting there as we may have been waiting for people.

We do not smoke and I understand you can smoke in beer garden (I do not think you should but that's another argument) they then got out stinking roll ups and started smoking again not a word.

I said to wife whom was not impressed that I am saying something which she didn't want to. I got up and said "it's OK you just stay there and we will move tables as we don't want smoke all over our clothes you 2 just do what you like ignorant *******s"

Not a word from them. That sort of **** really annoys me.

I would say that their behaviour was rude and arrogant?

IGRIGI
27-05-2018, 07:01 AM
I've found closing myself off from the general population by living in a small village has done my stress levels a world of good.

Unfortunately 99% of the population has forgotten manners are free.

Hibee87
27-05-2018, 09:20 AM
My wife and I were sitting at a table in a beer garden yesterday. There were still quite a few tables free a couple in the shade but 2 or 3 the same as ours.

A couple in their probably 60s decided to sit at end of our table as in the sun didn't ask if OK or ask if anyone else was sitting there as we may have been waiting for people.

We do not smoke and I understand you can smoke in beer garden (I do not think you should but that's another argument) they then got out stinking roll ups and started smoking again not a word.

I said to wife whom was not impressed that I am saying something which she didn't want to. I got up and said "it's OK you just stay there and we will move tables as we don't want smoke all over our clothes you 2 just do what you like ignorant *******s"

Not a word from them. That sort of **** really annoys me.

I would say that their behaviour was rude and arrogant?

I get the annoyance of someone just sitting at a table when others are free. But how can you complain about smoking?
Smokers were forced to go outside when the law changed, no issue with that, but you cant then dictate at what times a smoker is allowed to smoke in the beer garden. On a cold raining night in the middle of winter you would not have an issue with someone going to the beer garden for a puff, but because the suns out and you decide to use it you expect a new law stopping people?

HUTCHYHIBBY
27-05-2018, 09:20 AM
My wife and I were sitting at a table in a beer garden yesterday. There were still quite a few tables free a couple in the shade but 2 or 3 the same as ours.

A couple in their probably 60s decided to sit at end of our table as in the sun didn't ask if OK or ask if anyone else was sitting there as we may have been waiting for people.

We do not smoke and I understand you can smoke in beer garden (I do not think you should but that's another argument) they then got out stinking roll ups and started smoking again not a word.

I said to wife whom was not impressed that I am saying something which she didn't want to. I got up and said "it's OK you just stay there and we will move tables as we don't want smoke all over our clothes you 2 just do what you like ignorant *******s"

Not a word from them. That sort of **** really annoys me.

I would say that their behaviour was rude and arrogant?

Keeping seats for people or a place in a queue for folk annoys me more.

HUTCHYHIBBY
27-05-2018, 09:21 AM
My wife and I were sitting at a table in a beer garden yesterday. There were still quite a few tables free a couple in the shade but 2 or 3 the same as ours.

A couple in their probably 60s decided to sit at end of our table as in the sun didn't ask if OK or ask if anyone else was sitting there as we may have been waiting for people.

We do not smoke and I understand you can smoke in beer garden (I do not think you should but that's another argument) they then got out stinking roll ups and started smoking again not a word.

I said to wife whom was not impressed that I am saying something which she didn't want to. I got up and said "it's OK you just stay there and we will move tables as we don't want smoke all over our clothes you 2 just do what you like ignorant *******s"

Not a word from them. That sort of **** really annoys me.

I would say that their behaviour was rude and arrogant?

I don't smoke but why you would expect someone to ask if its ok is beyond me.

Captain Trips
27-05-2018, 10:51 AM
I get the annoyance of someone just sitting at a table when others are free. But how can you complain about smoking?
Smokers were forced to go outside when the law changed, no issue with that, but you cant then dictate at what times a smoker is allowed to smoke in the beer garden. On a cold raining night in the middle of winter you would not have an issue with someone going to the beer garden for a puff, but because the suns out and you decide to use it you expect a new law stopping people?

No I expect them to have the decency to at least ask seeing as we were not smoking and there were plenty of space. Why should I have smoke all over my clothes when out enjoying a drink?

And yeah there should be a designated smoking area and a beer garden shouldn't be it. If a pub has no beer garden smokers go to an area that nobody is drinking or eating ie out the front, so IMO the same should apply in the beer garden area of a pub.

Captain Trips
27-05-2018, 10:52 AM
I don't smoke but why you would expect someone to ask if its ok is beyond me.

Because I am sitting right next to them that's why, on a table they decided to sit at after we did. I found it disgraceful just for them both to light up smelly roll ups right next to us knowing full well the smoke will blow about right on us.

Would you expect to be asked by a guest in your home?

Well maybe it's just me then.

Hibee87
27-05-2018, 11:15 AM
No I expect them to have the decency to at least ask seeing as we were not smoking and there were plenty of space. Why should I have smoke all over my clothes when out enjoying a drink?

And yeah there should be a designated smoking area and a beer garden shouldn't be it. If a pub has no beer garden smokers go to an area that nobody is drinking or eating ie out the front, so IMO the same should apply in the beer garden area of a pub.

I guess we will have to disagree on this issue but imo the beer garden IS the designated smoking area. If you are sitting in any beer garden in the country you have to expect smokers since it is the outside area unless the pub itself advertises differently.

Silent Boatman
27-05-2018, 11:27 AM
Anyone smoking in my vicinity annoys me so I get the OP completely.

pollution
27-05-2018, 11:31 AM
I don't smoke but why you would expect someone to ask if its ok is beyond me.


Original point confirmed!

Pete
27-05-2018, 11:45 AM
One day my partner and I were in a beer garden and this guy sitting next to us started going radge, ranting about smoking and calling us ďignorant *******sĒ.

I mean, how rude! He could at least of tried asking us politely to stop smoking if he didnít like it.

stoneyburn hibs
27-05-2018, 11:51 AM
Probably for the peeve thread....seperate outside smoking areas/tables. As if we're not castigated enough.

snooky
27-05-2018, 11:55 AM
Keeping seats for people or a place in a queue for folk annoys me more.

This is my pet hate. You go early to an event and find one person there with half a dozen seats 'reserved' beside them with a jacket , handbag, hat, etc. This is repeated all over and you end up with a seat at the back. Five minutes before the show starts the 'reservees' toddle in and take their choice seats. :grr:

HUTCHYHIBBY
27-05-2018, 12:23 PM
Because I am sitting right next to them that's why, on a table they decided to sit at after we did. I found it disgraceful just for them both to light up smelly roll ups right next to us knowing full well the smoke will blow about right on us.

Would you expect to be asked by a guest in your home?

Well maybe it's just me then.

I never realised it was your pub, sorry!

Mrs. S
27-05-2018, 12:31 PM
Anyone smoking in my vicinity annoys me so I get the OP completely.

Me too. I think there should be smoking rooms with tight doors and ban smoking outdoors :greengrin

Captain Trips
27-05-2018, 12:57 PM
I never realised it was your pub, sorry!

It's not. So would you expect to be asked at your home?

snooky
27-05-2018, 12:58 PM
Me too. I think there should be smoking rooms with tight doors and ban smoking outdoors :greengrin

I used to smoke about 30 years ago however, these days the smell that comes off smokers almost makes me vomit.
In their defence, I'm sure they have no concept of how bad the smell is to others so I can understand their indifference when people complain about it.

Mrs. S
27-05-2018, 01:15 PM
I used to smoke about 30 years ago however, these days the smell that comes off smokers almost makes me vomit.
In their defence, I'm sure they have no concept of how bad the smell is to others so I can understand their indifference when people complain about it.

Im an ex smoker too, 20 something years and am just mega grumpy about smokers smoking near me. Im unreasonable and I know it :greengrin

HUTCHYHIBBY
27-05-2018, 01:20 PM
It's not. So would you expect to be asked at your home?

I would but, not if we were sitting in the garden having a bevvy. Smoking in someones house without asking is hardly comparable with smoking in an outdoor public area of a pub. At the end of the day I couldnae give a dugs dangler one way or the other so, you just crack on.

Captain Trips
27-05-2018, 01:27 PM
I would but, not if we were sitting in the garden having a bevvy. Smoking in someones house without asking is hardly comparable with smoking in an outdoor public area of a pub. At the end of the day I couldnae give a dugs dangler one way or the other so, you just crack on.


Just saying then in certain circumstances you would expect to be asked. I expect to be asked at a shared table, at their own table fine at a shared table expect to be asked.

Just Alf
27-05-2018, 01:43 PM
Just saying then in certain circumstances you would expect to be asked. I expect to be asked at a shared table, at their own table fine at a shared table expect to be asked.Totally sensible view IMHO... I just can't see how anyone could reasonably argue differently???

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nellio
27-05-2018, 02:58 PM
You have to expect it in beer gardens but its smoking at bus stops that does my head in!

andybev1
27-05-2018, 03:20 PM
You have to expect it in beer gardens but its smoking at bus stops that does my head in!

Why? the difference is only in your head imo, we smokers have been treated as lepers and I am fine when it comes to not smoking indoors even when people who do not smoke are in my house but I will be ****ed if I am going to not smoke outside. maybe you should all get people in cars to stop driving too - no, that would probably impact you.
I hate smoking but outside is kind of open enough to smoke in my opinion, so suck it up...or not as the case may be :greengrin....

.....I am kind of being the stereotypical ignorant smoker by saying that and I do feel like that sometimes BUT seriouslly, I have just been diagnosed with COPD so it is something that needs to be slowly stopped as it is not nice seeing relatives dying because they cannot breath and I will be next unless I can cut it out.

andybev1
27-05-2018, 03:33 PM
on another note, I was going to the counter of a shop where I had to go round the little maze to get to the front of the queue - some idiot woman entered the shop and went straight to the front of the queue by not going the prescribed way - she got daggers I tell you.

Also, in general, queueing is an art that is being lost in this country as the non queuing people who do not appreciate the reasons and rules come into the country - it has already been lost inLondon and annoyed me no ends when I lived there. This is not me being racist, i do think it is just a way of being polite and works.

IGRIGI
27-05-2018, 03:55 PM
For me it's whether they have the decency to make sure the smoke isn't wafting in my direction or if they are ignorant bassas who dont give a monkey's if their 2ns hand smoke is choking and blinding someone to death.

McD
27-05-2018, 04:31 PM
Kind of agree with the OP here. If they smokers had sat at a different table then I think theyíre fair game to smoke, if theyíve sat at the same table then itís just common courtesy to ask.

i donít smoke myself, never have, but I do have friends who do, and in my experience they are all very conscious of where the smoke wafts, often theyíll move themself or get me to move so the smoke isnít blowing towards me.

Captain Trips
27-05-2018, 04:41 PM
Kind of agree with the OP here. If they smokers had sat at a different table then I think theyíre fair game to smoke, if theyíve sat at the same table then itís just common courtesy to ask.

i donít smoke myself, never have, but I do have friends who do, and in my experience they are all very conscious of where the smoke wafts, often theyíll move themself or get me to move so the smoke isnít blowing towards me.

That's all I expected maybe its just us but if I go to a crowded beer garden and I see a space I will always ask if OK to sit there. If they are smoking then that will have been my choice or not. However they never asked if OK to sit there which IMO is just curtious I think, then to light up is not right.

Captain Trips
27-05-2018, 04:44 PM
One day my partner and I were in a beer garden and this guy sitting next to us started going radge, ranting about smoking and calling us ďignorant *******sĒ.

I mean, how rude! He could at least of tried asking us politely to stop smoking if he didnít like it.

If they are not doing anything why is there a need to politely ask them anything.

pollution
27-05-2018, 06:02 PM
on another note, I was going to the counter of a shop where I had to go round the little maze to get to the front of the queue - some idiot woman entered the shop and went straight to the front of the queue by not going the prescribed way - she got daggers I tell you.

Also, in general, queueing is an art that is being lost in this country as the non queuing people who do not appreciate the reasons and rules come into the country - it has already been lost inLondon and annoyed me no ends when I lived there. This is not me being racist, i do think it is just a way of being polite and works.


Doesn't surprise me as women are often the rudest in society in general, I hasten to add.

Utterly self absorbed. They rarely even acknowledge my opening a door for them. As for selfish driving....

snooky
27-05-2018, 06:17 PM
I remember one of my friends was asked by someone" Do you mind if I smoke?"
He replied "Not at all. Do you mind if I fart in your face."

EH6 Hibby
27-05-2018, 09:21 PM
Doesn't surprise me as women are often the rudest in society in general, I hasten to add.

Utterly self absorbed. They rarely even acknowledge my opening a door for them. As for selfish driving....

Thatís a fairly sweeping generalisation youíve made.

I think thatís a ridiculous thing to say that half the population behave in the same way.

I always acknowledge someone holding a door open for me and can tell you men are just as bad for not saying thank you.

Jones28
27-05-2018, 09:23 PM
I honestly think people are getting ruder. I walk through the Kings Buildings regularly through many different doors and at least 60% of the time I don't get a thank you. Really boils my piss.

heretoday
27-05-2018, 10:29 PM
I don't mind the occasional whiff of tobacco smoke. It reminds me of my youth!

7 Up
27-05-2018, 11:53 PM
If the smokers were at a seperate table then I think they'd be entitled to do as they please, but since they joined the OP and his wife they should probably have asked if either minded beforehand.

My_Wife_Camille
28-05-2018, 12:55 AM
My wife and I were sitting at a table in a beer garden yesterday. There were still quite a few tables free a couple in the shade but 2 or 3 the same as ours.

A couple in their probably 60s decided to sit at end of our table as in the sun didn't ask if OK or ask if anyone else was sitting there as we may have been waiting for people.

We do not smoke and I understand you can smoke in beer garden (I do not think you should but that's another argument) they then got out stinking roll ups and started smoking again not a word.

I said to wife whom was not impressed that I am saying something which she didn't want to. I got up and said "it's OK you just stay there and we will move tables as we don't want smoke all over our clothes you 2 just do what you like ignorant *******s"

Not a word from them. That sort of **** really annoys me.

I would say that their behaviour was rude and arrogant?
Their behaviour isnít great but your aggressive response is just as bad if not worse. How can you have the cheek to call someone rude and arrogant when you felt it was reasonable to walk up to a stranger, give a sarcastic rant and finish off by calling them ignorant *******s.


They were a bit thoughtless and selfish but it was hardly a personal attack on you and your wife. You should be ashamed imo

Captain Trips
28-05-2018, 08:13 AM
Their behaviour isnít great but your aggressive response is just as bad if not worse. How can you have the cheek to call someone rude and arrogant when you felt it was reasonable to walk up to a stranger, give a sarcastic rant and finish off by calling them ignorant *******s.


They were a bit thoughtless and selfish but it was hardly a personal attack on you and your wife. You should be ashamed imo

I'm not ashamed it wasn't a rant it was a comment and I'm not one bit bothered or ashamed about it. Perfectly justified IMO.

Hibrandenburg
28-05-2018, 09:53 AM
My wife and I were sitting at a table in a beer garden yesterday. There were still quite a few tables free a couple in the shade but 2 or 3 the same as ours.

A couple in their probably 60s decided to sit at end of our table as in the sun didn't ask if OK or ask if anyone else was sitting there as we may have been waiting for people.

We do not smoke and I understand you can smoke in beer garden (I do not think you should but that's another argument) they then got out stinking roll ups and started smoking again not a word.

I said to wife whom was not impressed that I am saying something which she didn't want to. I got up and said "it's OK you just stay there and we will move tables as we don't want smoke all over our clothes you 2 just do what you like ignorant *******s"

Not a word from them. That sort of **** really annoys me.

I would say that their behaviour was rude and arrogant?

Why should anyone have to ask permission to do something that's permissible?

sleeping giant
28-05-2018, 10:36 AM
Their behaviour isnít great but your aggressive response is just as bad if not worse. How can you have the cheek to call someone rude and arrogant when you felt it was reasonable to walk up to a stranger, give a sarcastic rant and finish off by calling them ignorant *******s.


They were a bit thoughtless and selfish but it was hardly a personal attack on you and your wife. You should be ashamed imo


:agree:

Absolutley

stoneyburn hibs
28-05-2018, 11:26 AM
I'm not ashamed it wasn't a rant it was a comment and I'm not one bit bothered or ashamed about it. Perfectly justified IMO.

You lost it by calling them ignorant (insert sweary word)

Captain Trips
28-05-2018, 11:35 AM
Why should anyone have to ask permission to do something that's permissible?

I can sit anywhere in a pub I do mot need other people's agreement if I wish to sit at their table however out of courtesy I would ask if anyone sitting there as they could be in toilet. Maybe you wouldn't but I would.

I also think that then lighting up right next to me without the even asking about sitting there is rude far ruder IMO than any reaction from me.

OK so everything that is permissable you never need to check then? Everything?

Hibrandenburg
28-05-2018, 11:53 AM
I can sit anywhere in a pub I do mot need other people's agreement if I wish to sit at their table however out of courtesy I would ask if anyone sitting there as they could be in toilet. Maybe you wouldn't but I would.

I also think that then lighting up right next to me without the even asking about sitting there is rude far ruder IMO than any reaction from me.

OK so everything that is permissable you never need to check then? Everything?

If there's an ashtray on the table that might be considered as a heavy hint that smoking is allowed. Normally pubs with beer gardens will also promote the fact that smoking is allowed there because it brings in the customers.

Captain Trips
28-05-2018, 11:54 AM
If there's an ashtray on the table that might be considered as a heavy hint that smoking is allowed. Normally pubs with beer gardens will also promote the fact that smoking is allowed there because it brings in the customers.

There are ashtrays about but they sat next to us when others available.

Captain Trips
28-05-2018, 11:55 AM
Lovely stuff here in Glasgow sitting outside Mulberry Street Old guy at a table alone, young couple arrive and ask him if OK to sit at his table of course he said yes.

Lovely manners there. Or you could just plonk your arse down.

Hibrandenburg
28-05-2018, 11:56 AM
There are ashtrays about but they sat next to us when others available.

Was there a reserved sign on the table?

Captain Trips
28-05-2018, 11:58 AM
Was there a reserved sign on the table?

No

Captain Trips
28-05-2018, 11:59 AM
Somking in beer garden is a separate argument entirely. I am aware you can and that's that. IMO sitting right next to someone and just lighting up is rude some disagree fine.

Hibrandenburg
28-05-2018, 12:03 PM
No

Then surely the table is there for all customers to use.

FWIW I get where you're coming from but can't see why it's worth getting all wound up about. At worst they are guilty of not showing any social skills but at best you reacted aggressively which in my book is worse.

Captain Trips
28-05-2018, 12:06 PM
Then surely the table is there for all customers to use.

FWIW I get where you're coming from but can't see why it's worth getting all wound up about. At worst they are guilty of not showing any social skills but at best you reacted aggressively which in my book is worse.

Fine if you I was worse fine. So would you ask a person to share table or just sit.

Captain Trips
28-05-2018, 12:13 PM
Do care about what is or isn't allowed IMO sitting at an occupied table without saying anything is rude and arrogant. Smoking at said table without a word again is rude and arrogant irrelevant if allowed.

Hibrandenburg
28-05-2018, 12:21 PM
Fine if you I was worse fine. So would you ask a person to share table or just sit.

It depends on how big the table is. Depends on if there are other drink glasses on the table other than those of the present occupants. Depends on the people already occupying the table. Where I choose to sit depends on a lot of things. There might be a big scary dog near other tables, noisy kids, through way where customers and staff are constantly passing, near the toilets that stink or I might just simply always sit at the same table and might have done so for years.

Captain Trips
28-05-2018, 12:31 PM
It depends on how big the table is. Depends on if there are other drink glasses on the table other than those of the present occupants. Depends on the people already occupying the table. Where I choose to sit depends on a lot of things. There might be a big scary dog near other tables, noisy kids, through way where customers and staff are constantly passing, near the toilets that stink or I might just simply always sit at the same table and might have done so for years.

That is all irrelevant to be honest regardless of why you choose to sit at a table that has people already on it even if free tables would you say anything to them or just sit.

Whatever the reason I would never sit at a table without checking.

Hibrandenburg
28-05-2018, 12:35 PM
That is all irrelevant to be honest regardless of why you choose to sit at a table that has people already on it even if free tables would you say anything to them or just sit.

Not really, if I saw someone giving me the "don't dare sit here" daggers, chances are I do it anyway just to piss them off.

Captain Trips
28-05-2018, 12:40 PM
Not really, if I saw someone giving me the "don't dare sit here" daggers, chances are I do it anyway just to piss them off.

OK that's fine I find that rude you don't we can disagree no worries fancy a pint haha

Hibrandenburg
28-05-2018, 12:48 PM
OK that's fine I find that rude you don't we can disagree no worries fancy a pint haha

I'll start smoking again just for the occasion:greengrin

speedy_gonzales
28-05-2018, 01:46 PM
I'll start smoking again just for the occasion:greengrin

A pipe with old śhšg baccy, just so you're at the top end of the rudeness scale 😆

we are hibs
28-05-2018, 01:55 PM
Smokers in general are ignorant and selfish. Just because you like smoking and the horrendous smell doesn't mean everyone else wants to smell it.

nellio
28-05-2018, 03:01 PM
Why? the difference is only in your head imo, we smokers have been treated as lepers and I am fine when it comes to not smoking indoors even when people who do not smoke are in my house but I will be ****ed if I am going to not smoke outside. maybe you should all get people in cars to stop driving too - no, that would probably impact you.
I hate smoking but outside is kind of open enough to smoke in my opinion, so suck it up...or not as the case may be :greengrin....

.....I am kind of being the stereotypical ignorant smoker by saying that and I do feel like that sometimes BUT seriouslly, I have just been diagnosed with COPD so it is something that needs to be slowly stopped as it is not nice seeing relatives dying because they cannot breath and I will be next unless I can cut it out.

Bus shelters are an enclosed public space. I don't particularly like having my life shortened by passive smoking whilst I'm waiting for a bus!!

sleeping giant
28-05-2018, 03:26 PM
I was working away one week and was in a hotel bar an had just ordered food and sat at a table that could fit four.
This couple them came over and sat at the same table directly across from me.
I honestly couldn't believe it :greengrin:

I then decided to take a picture of them secretly to post on Facebook and hadn't muted my phone .
I was horrified when the shutter sound went off and they both looked at me knowing I had obviously taken a picture of them.
I was mortified .

My food then came but they still didn't move .

I didn't call them *******s though :-)

Mrs. S
28-05-2018, 03:52 PM
Doesn't surprise me as women are often the rudest in society in general, I hasten to add.

Utterly self absorbed. They rarely even acknowledge my opening a door for them. As for selfish driving....

I dont know where you are but your mixing with the wrong women. I have a large friends group of women and i dont think any of us wouldnt say thanks to someone holding a door open for us.

Captain Trips
28-05-2018, 04:19 PM
I was working away one week and was in a hotel bar an had just ordered food and sat at a table that could fit four.
This couple them came over and sat at the same table directly across from me.
I honestly couldn't believe it :greengrin:

I then decided to take a picture of them secretly to post on Facebook and hadn't muted my phone .
I was horrified when the shutter sound went off and they both looked at me knowing I had obviously taken a picture of them.
I was mortified .

My food then came but they still didn't move .

I didn't call them *******s though :-)

Where they smoking roll ups over you with it blowing over you out of interest?

pollution
28-05-2018, 04:34 PM
Interesting thread this is.

Question: if you enter a restaurant and there are empty tables would you sit right next to the only

occupied one or far away from it?

Silent Boatman
28-05-2018, 04:41 PM
Interesting thread this is.

Question: if you enter a restaurant and there are empty tables would you sit right next to the only

occupied one or far away from it?

I only go to restaurants where I am shown to my table.

Hibrandenburg
28-05-2018, 04:55 PM
I was working away one week and was in a hotel bar an had just ordered food and sat at a table that could fit four.
This couple them came over and sat at the same table directly across from me.
I honestly couldn't believe it :greengrin:

I then decided to take a picture of them secretly to post on Facebook and hadn't muted my phone .
I was horrified when the shutter sound went off and they both looked at me knowing I had obviously taken a picture of them.
I was mortified .

My food then came but they still didn't move .

I didn't call them *******s though :-)

:faf:

danhibees1875
28-05-2018, 05:28 PM
Interesting thread this is.

Question: if you enter a restaurant and there are empty tables would you sit right next to the only

occupied one or far away from it?

As far away from each other diner as possible. Same with picking a urinal.

CropleyWasGod
28-05-2018, 05:35 PM
Interesting thread this is.

Question: if you enter a restaurant and there are empty tables would you sit right next to the only

occupied one or far away from it?Farthest corner, looking out over everybody. Nobody behind me.

If only Tony Soprano had done that....

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andybev1
28-05-2018, 05:51 PM
They rarely even acknowledge my opening a door for them.

We have all been there I think, I just tell them that they are welcome and carry on.

Wilson
28-05-2018, 06:31 PM
Farthest corner, looking out over everybody. Nobody behind me.

If only Tony Soprano had done that....

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If only I had got round to watching the Sopranos...

snooky
28-05-2018, 06:38 PM
Interesting thread this is.

Question: if you enter a restaurant and there are empty tables would you sit right next to the only

occupied one or far away from it?

That is key to the OP's complaint. The smokers had other tables to choose from but sat next to our dinner and spoiled his meal with their selfishness.

lapsedhibee
28-05-2018, 07:17 PM
CT, not saying it's a good thing or a bad thing, but you're one territorial *******. :greengrin

sleeping giant
28-05-2018, 07:38 PM
That is key to the OP's complaint. The smokers had other tables to choose from but sat next to our dinner and spoiled his meal with their selfishness.

OP didn't mention eating a meal.

sleeping giant
28-05-2018, 07:40 PM
On the subject of rude smokers....

Folk who stand at hospital entrances and have a fag.
Gartnavel hospital and the old western infirmary in Glasgow were the worst I have ever came across.

MSK
28-05-2018, 08:30 PM
On the subject of rude smokers....

Folk who stand at hospital entrances and have a fag.
Gartnavel hospital and the old western infirmary in Glasgow were the worst I have ever came across.You should see the main entrance to the RIE, hundreds of cigarette ends scattered around the automatic doors, have to fight my way through groups of ignorant tossers going to & from work each day, they are practically standing in the mall smoking. I would have a sprinkler system go on & soak the ignorant gits each time they light up.

Captain Trips
28-05-2018, 08:37 PM
OP didn't mention eating a meal.

Correct I was not eating.

Pretty Boy
28-05-2018, 08:57 PM
The folk who smoke right outside the doors to the oncology department at the Western General must be a few sandwiches short of a picnic in more ways than one. Every time I pass it thereís always 2 or 3 folk standing there puffing away right next to the signs stating itís a no smoking site.

Iím with the OP re the table. If you plant yourself at a table someone else is already sitting at then if you start doing something that impacts on them itís just manners and decency to ask if they mind.

snooky
28-05-2018, 11:09 PM
OP didn't mention eating a meal.

Irrelevant whether they were eating or not, it's a matter of consideration for others.
In this case, FAIL.

Captain Trips
28-05-2018, 11:26 PM
Irrelevant whether they were eating or not, it's a matter of consideration for others.
In this case, FAIL.

Well that is my view but it does appear some think I shouldn't expect somebody who chooses to sit with us then decides to smoke to need to say anything. I find it very poor form.

snooky
28-05-2018, 11:42 PM
Well that is my view but it does appear some think I shouldn't expect somebody who chooses to sit with us then decides to smoke to need to say anything. I find it very poor form.

The world is full of inconsiderate b******s who were brought up thinking the world owes them a living. The OP highlights a perfect example of such a case.

sleeping giant
28-05-2018, 11:52 PM
Irrelevant whether they were eating or not, it's a matter of consideration for others.
In this case, FAIL.

It is relevant .
You said they were smoking when he was having a meal.
He wasn't .

Not fussed either way by the way ya ******* :greengrin

Silent Boatman
29-05-2018, 05:55 AM
It's along time ago now but the last person who smoked in front of me after asking if they could and then ignoring my responses was extinguished by a water fire extinguisher. Different reasons and environment but this thread reminded me of it. 😁

Peevemor
29-05-2018, 07:10 AM
If I'm in an area where smoking is permitted (eg. outside), I definitely won't ask if anyone minds if I smoke - I just smoke. I will however make sure that I don't blow smoke on non-smokers whether they're in my company or not. Sometimes it's as simple as holding my cigarette in my left hand instead of my right. If turning away from my table means that I might bother people at the next, I'll go and stand somewhere unencumbered for the duration of my fag - that doesn't bother me at all. I also make sure that there's not an ashtray full of fag ends under peoples' noses when they're eating. I don't like it so I don't expect others to.

Sylar
29-05-2018, 07:37 AM
If there were other seated options, you're within your right to feel perturbed in my opinion.

I detest smokers (well, their habit), but they have been increasingly marginalised (rightly so) in recent years. In an outdoor situation, they're well within their rights to try and kill the rest of us. Except in hospital grounds, where ironically, most of them stand in front of big ****-off signs that say the hospital grounds are prohibited spaces. And PB is correct - the irony of people smoking outside an oncology ward...you get what you give I suppose.

I was at an outdoor festival in Leeds at the weekend and the smoking around me really got on my wick, but what can you do?

I do notice an increase in the number of people now using vape pens rather than actual cigarettes - something I hope continues, as I can just about tolerate the smell of "raspberry ripple" rather than "cancer cloud".

MSK
29-05-2018, 09:28 AM
If there were other seated options, you're within your right to feel perturbed in my opinion.

I detest smokers (well, their habit), but they have been increasingly marginalised (rightly so) in recent years. In an outdoor situation, they're well within their rights to try and kill the rest of us. Except in hospital grounds, where ironically, most of them stand in front of big ****-off signs that say the hospital grounds are prohibited spaces. And PB is correct - the irony of people smoking outside an oncology ward...you get what you give I suppose.

I was at an outdoor festival in Leeds at the weekend and the smoking around me really got on my wick, but what can you do?

I do notice an increase in the number of people now using vape pens rather than actual cigarettes - something I hope continues, as I can just about tolerate the smell of "raspberry ripple" rather than "cancer cloud".Its hilarious at the RIE, watching the daily sprint for a smoke whilst wheeling their drip stands out. Those are the ones who think because they are patients they have a right to smoke at the entrance doors whilst ignoring the massive yellow no smoking signs that are painted on the floor.

snooky
29-05-2018, 09:34 AM
It is relevant .
You said they were smoking when he was having a meal.
He wasn't .

Not fussed either way by the way ya ******* :greengrin

You're spot on, btw. I am a b****** :wink:
Peevemor has the right attitude. Good lad :thumbsup:

CapitalGreen
29-05-2018, 12:05 PM
I dont know where you are but your mixing with the wrong women. I have a large friends group of women and i dont think any of us wouldnt say thanks to someone holding a door open for us.

From the sounds of it I don't think he is mixing with any women.

.net's very own Incel.

McD
29-05-2018, 03:24 PM
If there were other seated options, you're within your right to feel perturbed in my opinion.

I detest smokers (well, their habit), but they have been increasingly marginalised (rightly so) in recent years. In an outdoor situation, they're well within their rights to try and kill the rest of us. Except in hospital grounds, where ironically, most of them stand in front of big ****-off signs that say the hospital grounds are prohibited spaces. And PB is correct - the irony of people smoking outside an oncology ward...you get what you give I suppose.

I was at an outdoor festival in Leeds at the weekend and the smoking around me really got on my wick, but what can you do?

I do notice an increase in the number of people now using vape pens rather than actual cigarettes - something I hope continues, as I can just about tolerate the smell of "raspberry ripple" rather than "cancer cloud".


I actually disagree with with your last point, humbly, because Iím sick of being in a public indoor space, such as shopping centres, cinemas, shops, etc, where folk seem to think that puffing away on a vape pen is ok, and Iím having to breath in their vape/output. This is despite signs stating that theyíre also banned.

Ive no issue with smokers or vapers, however I choose not to partake, and donít feel that I should be forced to breath in their second hand smoke/vape. That said, I find generally smokers are very much more conscious of their smoke (as Peevemor has described above) and go out their way to avoid putting others in the position of breathing it in, vape people generally seem to be much less so.

Sylar
29-05-2018, 03:33 PM
I actually disagree with with your last point, humbly, because Iím sick of being in a public indoor space, such as shopping centres, cinemas, shops, etc, where folk seem to think that puffing away on a vape pen is ok, and Iím having to breath in their vape/output. This is despite signs stating that theyíre also banned.

Ive no issue with smokers or vapers, however I choose not to partake, and donít feel that I should be forced to breath in their second hand smoke/vape. That said, I find generally smokers are very much more conscious of their smoke (as Peevemor has described above) and go out their way to avoid putting others in the position of breathing it in, vape people generally seem to be much less so.

Oh, I'd agree with that 100%. Inside isn't acceptable, even if it is a puff of bubblegum vapour.

However, if I'm going to be surprised by a waft of something in the street or outdoor spaces where it is acceptable, I'd rather that than cigarette smoke (should I have to experience one or t'other).

Hibrandenburg
29-05-2018, 03:41 PM
Anyone got a problem with garlic or farting? :duck:

pollution
29-05-2018, 04:21 PM
From the sounds of it I don't think he is mixing with any women.

.net's very own Incel.


I am from Mars.

snooky
29-05-2018, 05:22 PM
I am from Mars.

Love your chocolate, btw. :wink:

nellio
29-05-2018, 07:02 PM
As far away from each other diner as possible. Same with picking a urinal.

Spot on! Same with lockers at the gym. Why does someone almost always get changed in the area next to me even the locker next to me although there are loads of free lockers in other parts of the changing room. Just reduces the amount of space we have for both of us. Drives me mad!!

Hibrandenburg
29-05-2018, 09:29 PM
Spot on! Same with lockers at the gym. Why does someone almost always get changed in the area next to me even the locker next to me although there are loads of free lockers in other parts of the changing room. Just reduces the amount of space we have for both of us. Drives me mad!!

I must admit I'm surprised at the amount of people who appear to be inhibited.

Hibbyradge
29-05-2018, 09:38 PM
Farthest corner, looking out over everybody. Nobody behind me.

If only Tony Soprano had done that....

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Very good point and we'll remembered.

WeeRussell
30-05-2018, 11:54 AM
I can sort of sympathise with some of the OP, but if the words used were as quoted, then your language and rant at them was equally as rude.

Captain Trips
30-05-2018, 12:01 PM
I can sort of sympathise with some of the OP, but if the words used were as quoted, then your language and rant at them was equally as rude.

Interesting it's a rant now. Those were the words used so I am equally as bad ok then. I'm sure I will have assaulted every person in the pub by page 5.

They are and remain a couple of ignorant fannies. What I said to them and the language used and them deciding its ok to light up cancer giving smelly fags in a strangers company isn't even comparable. Disgusting ignorant and rude couple who IMO in their late 50s early 60s should know better.

danhibees1875
30-05-2018, 12:20 PM
Interesting it's a rant now. Those were the words used so I am equally as bad ok then. I'm sure I will have assaulted every person in the pub by page 5.

They are and remain a couple of ignorant fannies. What I said to them and the language used and them deciding its ok to light up cancer giving smelly fags in a strangers company isn't even comparable. Disgusting ignorant and rude couple who IMO in their late 50s early 60s should know better.

Try to think of it from their perspective. They're an old couple just out for the day and have had to go outside to light up. No one owns the seats/no reservations, so they sit down at the first seats they fancy and light up. No one asks them if they wouldn't mind smoking somewhere else, so they sit enjoying their cig in the sun then you come along and swear at them and leave.

I agree that they should have a) asked that it was okay to sit at the same table as you, and b) asked if they could smoke so close to you (without knowing the size of the table/space involved, I'll assume it's relatively small) - but your reaction was not proportional.

LustForLeith
30-05-2018, 12:50 PM
Iím too rude to read through all of this so not sure if this is appropriate. I used to word at Tesco Bank and I had never been in the company I do many rude people.

The amount of times Iíd hold a door open for someone and not get a response of any sort was astounding. On one occasion I opened a door on two occasions for a woman holding a coffee cup in ken hand and a laptop in the other and she never said a thing. Nobodies how she would have managed if I hadnít held then door open for her.

I wasnít looking for a tip or a big glowing reference, just a simple thanks would have been nice.

CropleyWasGod
30-05-2018, 01:05 PM
Try to think of it from their perspective. They're an old couple just out for the day and have had to go outside to light up. No one owns the seats/no reservations, so they sit down at the first seats they fancy and light up. No one asks them if they wouldn't mind smoking somewhere else, so they sit enjoying their cig in the sun then you come along and swear at them and leave.

I agree that they should have a) asked that it was okay to sit at the same table as you, and b) asked if they could smoke so close to you (without knowing the size of the table/space involved, I'll assume it's relatively small) - but your reaction was not proportional.Old?

**** off.


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snooky
30-05-2018, 01:07 PM
Iím too rude to read through all of this so not sure if this is appropriate. I used to word at Tesco Bank and I had never been in the company I do many rude people.

The amount of times Iíd hold a door open for someone and not get a response of any sort was astounding. On one occasion I opened a door on two occasions for a woman holding a coffee cup in ken hand and a laptop in the other and she never said a thing. Nobodies how she would have managed if I hadnít held then door open for her.

I wasnít looking for a tip or a big glowing reference, just a simple thanks would have been nice.

Just wondering. Are you using an Enigma machine? :whistle: :wink:

Geo_1875
30-05-2018, 02:19 PM
I recently stopped smoking and now use a vape to control my cravings. What has amazed me is, as I regain my sense of smell, I realise what a bunch of smelly *******s use public transport in Edinburgh. A quick wash and a splash of deoderant wouldn't go amiss most mornings.

And as for the OP calling anybody rude. To react to their rudeness with what amounts to a verbal assault negates his right to complain.

WeeRussell
30-05-2018, 02:29 PM
Interesting it's a rant now. Those were the words used so I am equally as bad ok then. I'm sure I will have assaulted every person in the pub by page 5.

They are and remain a couple of ignorant fannies. What I said to them and the language used and them deciding its ok to light up cancer giving smelly fags in a strangers company isn't even comparable. Disgusting ignorant and rude couple who IMO in their late 50s early 60s should know better.

It wasn't fannies I had guessed you used when you starred it out to be fair.... Regardless, neither party were breaking the law and you did react in a rude manner. We can only guess at how big the table was/space between you (I do think it's relevant) and the tone you used. Going by the way you've reacted in your first line here, I can imagine it wasn't particularly calm or pleasant :greengrin. I haven't said that you were enitrely in the wrong by the way... just pointing out you behaviour (encountered by others) was also rude.

As some have said.. look at it from their perspective. I can imagine an old boy posting on a forum about some younger fellae producing a rather unsavoury outburst at him while he enjoyed a drink and a smoke with his missus.


As for the aforementioned folk that don't acknowledge a door being held for them (or similarly a driver not acknowledging someone letting them pass).. they are worse than fannies :greengrin.. one of my biggest pet hates.

WeeRussell
30-05-2018, 02:30 PM
Try to think of it from their perspective. They're an old couple just out for the day and have had to go outside to light up. No one owns the seats/no reservations, so they sit down at the first seats they fancy and light up. No one asks them if they wouldn't mind smoking somewhere else, so they sit enjoying their cig in the sun then you come along and swear at them and leave.

I agree that they should have a) asked that it was okay to sit at the same table as you, and b) asked if they could smoke so close to you (without knowing the size of the table/space involved, I'll assume it's relatively small) - but your reaction was not proportional.

Exactly what I was trying to say, in better words :aok:

Captain Trips
30-05-2018, 02:37 PM
It wasn't fannies I had guessed you used when you starred it out to be fair.... Regardless, neither party were breaking the law and you did react in a rude manner. We can only guess at how big the table was/space between you (I do think it's relevant) and the tone you used. Going by the way you've reacted in your first line here, I can imagine it wasn't particularly calm or pleasant :greengrin. I haven't said that you were enitrely in the wrong by the way... just pointing out you behaviour (encountered by others) was also rude.

As some have said.. look at it from their perspective. I can imagine an old boy posting on a forum about some younger fellae producing a rather unsavoury outburst at him while he enjoyed a drink and a smoke with his missus.


As for the aforementioned folk that don't acknowledge a door being held for them (or similarly a driver not acknowledging someone letting them pass).. they are worse than fannies :greengrin.. one of my biggest pet hates.

We have now decided its a old couple just out for a drink and had to take stick off me and how I need to see it from their perspective. Aye very good.

How about youngish couple just out for a drink in the sun pop into pub plenty of seats 10 mins later another couple arrive just sit down and start smoking. I don't give a toss if you are allowed to smoke or they were not doing anything wrong they were out of order potentially having our clothes reek of fag smoke.

I'm not interested in their perspective as they were only interested in themselves which they proved with selfish behaviour. Disgraceful behaviour from them.

Captain Trips
30-05-2018, 02:42 PM
Try to think of it from their perspective. They're an old couple just out for the day and have had to go outside to light up. No one owns the seats/no reservations, so they sit down at the first seats they fancy and light up. No one asks them if they wouldn't mind smoking somewhere else, so they sit enjoying their cig in the sun then you come along and swear at them and leave.

I agree that they should have a) asked that it was okay to sit at the same table as you, and b) asked if they could smoke so close to you (without knowing the size of the table/space involved, I'll assume it's relatively small) - but your reaction was not proportional.

You have made them quite the couple and scenario just out for drink and the day, they were not forced outside as they sat outside as was nice day. Why should I need to ask them anything if not doing anything wrong?

So they sit enjoying their cig then I come along is it? I needed come far they were next to me. They were bang out of order this couple just out for the day.

Sylar
30-05-2018, 02:44 PM
We have now decided its a old couple just out for a drink and had to take stick off me and how I need to see it from their perspective. Aye very good.

How about youngish couple just out for a drink in the sun pop into pub plenty of seats 10 mins later another couple arrive just sit down and start smoking. I don't give a toss if you are allowed to smoke or they were not doing anything wrong they were out of order potentially having our clothes reek of fag smoke.

I'm not interested in their perspective as they were only interested in themselves. Disgraceful behaviour from them.

You have sympathies from many that it's perhaps "not in the best of manners", but rhetoric like this is just making you look silly.

Were you not capable of politely asking them whether they would mind sitting a little further away from you if they were planning to smoke? Civility appears to have been lost a little on both sides here.

WeeRussell
30-05-2018, 02:44 PM
We have now decided its a old couple just out for a drink and had to take stick off me and how I need to see it from their perspective. Aye very good.

How about youngish couple just out for a drink in the sun pop into pub plenty of seats 10 mins later another couple arrive just sit down and start smoking. I don't give a toss if you are allowed to smoke or they were not doing anything wrong they were out of order potentially having our clothes reek of fag smoke.

I'm not interested in their perspective as they were only interested in themselves. Disgraceful behaviour from them.

You're quite a touchy and sarcy individual eh?

I actually agree with the general principle you set-out about people asking to join a table (whether smoking or not I find it the norm to ask out of politeness).

I just don't agree that they're the nasty auld smokers while you're some sort of good guy for mouthing-off at them in such a way.

If you're not interested in other perspectives, why did you make a thread telling us about it and ask the question on what we thought?

Captain Trips
30-05-2018, 02:49 PM
How about youngish couple just out for a drink in the sun pop into pub plenty of seats 10 mins later another couple arrive just sit down and start smoking. I don't give a toss if you are allowed to smoke or they were not doing anything wrong they were out of order potentially having our clothes reek of fag smoke.

I'm not interested in their perspective as they were only interested in themselves. Disgraceful behaviour from them.

You're quite a touchy and sarcy individual eh?

I actually agree with the general principle you set-out about people asking to join a table (whether smoking or not I find it the norm to ask out of politeness).

I just don't agree that they're the nasty auld smokers while you're some sort of good guy for mouthing-off at them in such a way.

If you're not interested in other perspectives, why did you make a thread telling us about it and ask the question on what we thought?[/QUOTE]

When did I say was good guy? They were a rude and arrogant couple I saw them you didn't you can decide on them all you like.

I started a thread to hear other people's stories of rude behaviour in different circumstances. Not a full on analysis on the couple and what they were actually like and scenarios made up of what they were.

I don't give a toss about what they thought.

danhibees1875
30-05-2018, 02:52 PM
You have made them quite the couple and scenario just out for drink and the day, they were not forced outside as they sat outside as was nice day. Why should I need to ask them anything if not doing anything wrong?

So they sit enjoying their cig then I come along is it? I needed come far they were next to me. They were bang out of order this couple just out for the day.


Generally, when you want things to change asking is the first step.

Just because you're not doing something wrong doesn't mean that someone else is though. I, and many others, have said that they could have been much more polite about how they went about things but the only time someone was bang out of order in this scenario was when you ranted and swore at them. If you had politelly asked them to not smoke so close/at your table then this thread would have went very differently.

WeeRussell
30-05-2018, 03:04 PM
Generally, when you want things to change asking is the first step.

Just because you're not doing something wrong doesn't mean that someone else is though. I, and many others, have said that they could have been much more polite about how they went about things but the only time someone was bang out of order in this scenario was when you ranted and swore at them. If you had politelly asked them to not smoke so close/at your table then this thread would have went very differently.

:aok:

I was trying to work it out and I think CT means if the said couple aren't doing anything wrong (like others are apparently insinuating) then why should he need to ask them to do anything. Of course.. similar to me, you didn't say the old couple weren't at fault, only that CT's reaction was rude and not befitting of the situation.

To be honest I was too scared to clarify the above for fear of being called a fanny :greengrin

Captain Trips
30-05-2018, 03:30 PM
:aok:

I was trying to work it out and I think CT means if the said couple aren't doing anything wrong (like others are apparently insinuating) then why should he need to ask them to do anything. Of course.. similar to me, you didn't say the old couple weren't at fault, only that CT's reaction was rude and not befitting of the situation.

To be honest I was too scared to clarify the above for fear of being called a fanny :greengrin

I think we disagree on my behaviour in the situation and seem more interested in that. I think it was fine and wasn't a rant or shouted it was a comment made at conversational volume.

I think my actions were perfectly fine you don't that's fine.

Captain Trips
30-05-2018, 03:33 PM
Generally, when you want things to change asking is the first step.

Just because you're not doing something wrong doesn't mean that someone else is though. I, and many others, have said that they could have been much more polite about how they went about things but the only time someone was bang out of order in this scenario was when you ranted and swore at them. If you had politelly asked them to not smoke so close/at your table then this thread would have went very differently.

I'm not asking or bothered how the thread went there probably would not have been one if I asked them to not smoke, however we are all different maybe you would have asked maybe not. I choose to move table and tell them why.

I asked do you think they were rude you say above they could have been more polite that's good as that's all I was looking for an answer to that.

My reaction does not make what they did any worse or better. If you think they were rude fine we agree if not we do not agree and plenty of people have said why they think what they did was fine, that's the discussion really on how we agree or disagree on smoking over people.

What I did in reaction is totally irrelevant.

heretoday
30-05-2018, 03:56 PM
You should see the main entrance to the RIE, hundreds of cigarette ends scattered around the automatic doors, have to fight my way through groups of ignorant tossers going to & from work each day, they are practically standing in the mall smoking. I would have a sprinkler system go on & soak the ignorant gits each time they light up.

Some of them are hooked up to machines. Smoking is likely to have played a part in their condition.

It hard to imagine how much lower an individual can get really.

danhibees1875
30-05-2018, 04:03 PM
What I did in reaction is totally irrelevant.

Not in a thread about rude behaviour. :wink:

But yes, I think we broadly agree that the other couple should have acted differently. :agree:

MSK
30-05-2018, 04:12 PM
Some of them are hooked up to machines. Smoking is likely to have played a part in their condition.

It hard to imagine how much lower an individual can get really.They just dont give a toss, every morning I come into work the area outside the main doors are strewn with cigarette ends & discarded coffee cups beside an overflowing waste bin. The place is absolutley filthy, imagine visitors first visit to our flagship hospital, our major trauma centre of excellence 😦

Captain Trips
30-05-2018, 05:21 PM
Not in a thread about rude behaviour. :wink:

But yes, I think we broadly agree that the other couple should have acted differently. :agree:

Ahh but that would be for the delightful duo to come on and start a thread and discuss as they witnessed it and can decide if they think it's a rant etc etc.

Glad we agree almost.

CropleyWasGod
30-05-2018, 05:45 PM
Ahh but that would be for the delightful duo to come on and start a thread and discuss as they witnessed it and can decide if they think it's a rant etc etc.

Glad we agree almost.Of course, unless they are remaining silent, they don't have the opportunity to put their side of things.

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Captain Trips
30-05-2018, 06:38 PM
Of course, unless they are remaining silent, they don't have the opportunity to put their side of things.

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There is no side they sat next to us and thought fine to smoke on us if we hadn't moved. That is all there is to it.

You either find that acceptable or not. I don't.

CropleyWasGod
30-05-2018, 07:30 PM
There is no side they sat next to us and thought fine to smoke on us if we hadn't moved. That is all there is to it.

You either find that acceptable or not. I don't.

Of course there is a side.

It might be as you describe. Or it might be that they'd just had a major shock. Or it might be that they'd just had a **** in the toilets. Or...Or...Or...

Along with others on here, I hate when people don't thank me for holding the door open for them. Now and then, though, I have to remind myself that they may have **** going on in their lives and saying "thank you" is the last thing on their minds.

Context is important. [emoji4]

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Captain Trips
30-05-2018, 09:02 PM
Of course there is a side.

It might be as you describe. Or it might be that they'd just had a major shock. Or it might be that they'd just had a **** in the toilets. Or...Or...Or...

Along with others on here, I hate when people don't thank me for holding the door open for them. Now and then, though, I have to remind myself that they may have **** going on in their lives and saying "thank you" is the last thing on their minds.

Context is important. [emoji4]

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Maybe I had stuff on my mind that caused me to as some folk think overreact? It's all irrelevant and on occasions as this it is purely judged on what happened not what in theory maybe going on in people's minds.

We can't get into folks heads and go maybe they had this or that going on. I can't give context to it in any other way than it was simply rude and arrogant.

It is rude and arrogant regardless of reason. You can only give context if you know all the facts in any situation you describe.

So just never bother with rude behaviour as they may have had a crap day or worse how are you supposed to know that? Sorry but that is utter nonsense.

CropleyWasGod
30-05-2018, 09:18 PM
Maybe I had stuff on my mind that caused me to as some folk think overreact? It's all irrelevant and on occasions as this it is purely judged on what happened not what in theory maybe going on in people's minds.

We can't get into folks heads and go maybe they had this or that going on. I can't give context to it in any other way than it was simply rude and arrogant.

It is rude and arrogant regardless of reason. You can only give context if you know all the facts in any situation you describe.

So just never bother with rude behaviour as they may have had a crap day or worse how are you supposed to know that? Sorry but that is utter nonsense.You in the caring professions? [emoji6]

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Captain Trips
30-05-2018, 09:28 PM
You in the caring professions? [emoji6]

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So how do you decide if you hold the door open for 10 different people who's dog just died and who is ignorant in an exchange lasting 2 seconds? This is how there is no context things like this have to be judged on the surface and it is ignorant.

So you say you don't like it when somebody does not say thanks but now and again you think they may have a lot on mind. Can I ask how you go about deciding who to be annoyed at or not?

CropleyWasGod
30-05-2018, 09:37 PM
So how do you decide if you hold the door open for 10 different people who's dog just died and who is ignorant in an exchange lasting 2 seconds? This is how there is no context things like this have to be judged on the surface and it is ignorant.

So you say you don't like it when somebody does not say thanks but now and again you think they may have a lot on mind. Can I ask how you go about deciding who to be annoyed at or not?

I try to rise above it because, basically, it has little effect on my life.

That doesn't always work, of course, because we're all bundles of emotional energy. But it does allow me the luxury of a lower blood pressure [emoji16]

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Captain Trips
30-05-2018, 09:43 PM
I try to rise above it because, basically, it has little effect on my life.

That doesn't always work, of course, because we're all bundles of emotional energy. But it does allow me the luxury of a lower blood pressure [emoji16]

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Well smoke on my clothes has a bigger effect on my life than somebody not saying thanks if I hold door open and I think everyone on here me included has experienced that on lots of occasions. I found the smoking incident for me a quite rare scenario that I have experienced hence the thread on it.

HUTCHYHIBBY
30-05-2018, 09:48 PM
I know I said I couldnae give a dugs dangler but, just imagine if something a lot less trivial had happened. Smoke on your clothes in an outdoor environment, FFS, calm down a bit.

CropleyWasGod
30-05-2018, 09:51 PM
Well smoke on my clothes has a bigger effect on my life than somebody not saying thanks if I hold door open and I think everyone on here me included has experienced that on lots of occasions. I found the smoking incident for me a quite rare scenario that I have experienced hence the thread on it.You ever considered hypnotherapy? [emoji16]

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Captain Trips
30-05-2018, 09:54 PM
You ever considered hypnotherapy? [emoji16]

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Nope you?

Captain Trips
30-05-2018, 09:56 PM
I know I said I couldnae give a dugs dangler but, just imagine if something a lot less trivial had happened. Smoke on your clothes in an outdoor environment, FFS, calm down a bit.

Maybe that doesn't bother you but it might bother others when they choose to do it next to you. I think FFS appears to be an overacting to this thread is it not? Maybe you might need to calm down a bit?

HUTCHYHIBBY
30-05-2018, 10:04 PM
Maybe that doesn't bother you but it might bother others and I am perfectly calm.

Not if this thread's anything to go by, perspective may be worth considering.

Captain Trips
30-05-2018, 10:06 PM
Not if this thread's anything to go by, perspective may be worth considering.

How do you come to that conclusion exactly? Perspective and context are abundant on the subject matter there seems to be more interest in looking into it far more deeply than required or needed and not by me.

I took it at face value as it should be.

HUTCHYHIBBY
30-05-2018, 10:08 PM
Forget it, I'm out.

CropleyWasGod
30-05-2018, 10:10 PM
Nope you?All the time. I'm a qualified hypnotherapist [emoji8]

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Captain Trips
30-05-2018, 10:11 PM
All the time. I'm a qualified hypnotherapist [emoji8]

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Excellent do you have a couch?

CropleyWasGod
30-05-2018, 10:15 PM
Excellent do you have a couch?A bit presumptuous. Shouldn't you buy me dinner first?

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Captain Trips
30-05-2018, 10:21 PM
A bit presumptuous. Shouldn't you buy me dinner first?

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A steak meal?

CropleyWasGod
30-05-2018, 10:27 PM
A steak meal?God how 1970's.

I'm presuming you'll start with prawn cocktail.

Can I smoke afterwards?



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Captain Trips
30-05-2018, 10:31 PM
God how 1970's.

I'm presuming you'll start with prawn cocktail.

Can I smoke afterwards?



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Aye I'm inviting a lovely couple if that's OK though there dog may have died or some other catastrophe can you perhaps help them out over a fag or two.

CropleyWasGod
30-05-2018, 10:35 PM
Aye I'm inviting a lovely couple if that's OK though there dog may have died or some other catastrophe can you perhaps help them out over a fag or two.Brilliant.

Folks, I think we can close the thread now. CT has found his compassion again.

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Captain Trips
30-05-2018, 10:41 PM
Brilliant.

Folks, I think we can close the thread now. CT has found his compassion again.

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Haha

Colr
30-05-2018, 10:45 PM
Keeping seats for people or a place in a queue for folk annoys me more.

Holding up a shop queue while you go and do some more shopping is pretty bad manners.

Captain Trips
30-05-2018, 10:47 PM
Keeping seats for people or a place in a queue for folk annoys me more.

FFS they are only keeping a seat for someone or a place in a queue. Calm down a bit.

Stranraer
31-05-2018, 05:16 PM
today in the supermarket a couple had their trolley in the way of the aisle and for some reason it really ticked me off.

pollution
31-05-2018, 05:33 PM
today in the supermarket a couple had their trolley in the way of the aisle and for some reason it really ticked me off.


A speaking trolley?!

CropleyWasGod
31-05-2018, 05:45 PM
A speaking trolley?!I could do with one of them when I come out of the shops and I canny find my car.

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lapsedhibee
31-05-2018, 07:50 PM
I know I said I couldnae give a dugs dangler but, just imagine if something a lot less trivial had happened. Smoke on your clothes in an outdoor environment, FFS, calm down a bit.
Tried and tried and tried but can't. Thought perhaps a nucular holocaust, but I think that would also involve some smoke wafting about, so there's basically nothing.

Captain Trips
31-05-2018, 08:38 PM
Tried and tried and tried but can't. Thought perhaps a nucular holocaust, but I think that would also involve some smoke wafting about, so there's basically nothing.

Defo something wafting about here and its not fag smoke. I wonder is keith Jackson or Chic Young on here? From telling a couple in a conversational normal and calm voice that "we will move table as we dont want smoke on us, ignorant *******s" Its been Rants, Volleys of abuse, the couple are just out for a harmless drink bless, they might have had issues, they may lack social skills, they have just been to tynecastle, yet I appear to have overreacted at the time.

There maybe a job going at Sevcos' press office or Quintin Tarantino may want some advice on future projects from some. I wonder when the assault will have occured.:cb

snooky
31-05-2018, 08:47 PM
FFS they are only keeping a seat for someone or a place in a queue. Calm down a bit.

Aye, while people who turn up early (like me) are deprived of a seat by all the Caspers in the theatre.

My_Wife_Camille
01-06-2018, 12:39 AM
I hate rude rude people so to stop them being rude Iím rude to them because itís not rude when Iím rude because they were rude first and me being rude is irrelevant

Captain Trips
01-06-2018, 01:35 AM
I hate rude rude people so to stop them being rude I’m rude to them because it’s not rude when I’m rude because they were rude first and me being rude is irrelevant

I really don't understand how a simple question is so difficult to grasp. If I was rude then fine but that is neither here nor there or what was asked, Its not an episode of Columbo here. I could have blew up the pub poured drink on them whatever it is indeed irrelevant, I am interested in do you think up to just before I reacted was their behaviour rude that is all?

Let's pretend I never said anything then, let's make this real easy ok? Let's pretend it wasn't even me OK? Let's really make it simple let's say its you how about that?

Would you find it rude if sitting at a table with quite a few spare tables around for a couple to not acknowledge you and sit down and then smoke right next to you.

Would that be rude to you or not?

If Yes great, If not fair enough.

Moulin Yarns
01-06-2018, 08:11 AM
Defo something wafting about here and its not fag smoke. I wonder is keith Jackson or Chic Young on here? From telling a couple in a conversational normal and calm voice that "we will move table as we dont want smoke on us, ignorant *******s" Its been Rants, Volleys of abuse, the couple are just out for a harmless drink bless, they might have had issues, they may lack social skills, they have just been to tynecastle, yet I appear to have overreacted at the time.

There maybe a job going at Sevcos' press office or Quintin Tarantino may want some advice on future projects from some. I wonder when the assault will have occured.:cb

I think, if you had stopped at the bit in bold and omitted the bit in red you would have had some more sympathy, but by adding the bit in red you lowered yourself to being rude yourself, possibly more rude than the thoughtless smokers.

My_Wife_Camille
01-06-2018, 08:44 AM
I really don't understand how a simple question is so difficult to grasp. If I was rude then fine but that is neither here nor there or what was asked, Its not an episode of Columbo here. I could have blew up the pub poured drink on them whatever it is indeed irrelevant, I am interested in do you think up to just before I reacted was their behaviour rude that is all?

Let's pretend I never said anything then, let's make this real easy ok? Let's pretend it wasn't even me OK? Let's really make it simple let's say its you how about that?

Would you find it rude if sitting at a table with quite a few spare tables around for a couple to not acknowledge you and sit down and then smoke right next to you.

Would that be rude to you or not?

If Yes great, If not fair enough.

I can tell fine well that you donít understand, thatís why everyone on this thread is laughing at you.

They were rude to you.

You were rude to them.

The only difference is that their rude behaviour was thoughtless and passive in nature. The only thing they were guilty of was being a bit selfish. Your rude behaviour was an intentional and active display of aggression. You knowingly chose to insult them which is much worse.

Captain Trips
01-06-2018, 09:02 AM
They were rude to you.

Oh I think we both know I understand but finally I get an answer of course with a bit of mind reading and more assumptions on how people on here are thinking and on how the couples mindset was. So I have edited your reply to basically answer what I originally asked before I stood before the Warren Commission over it and before Columbo comes to my door to tell me "just one more thing Sir".

So excellent we agree.

My_Wife_Camille
01-06-2018, 09:16 AM
Oh I think we both know I understand but finally I get an answer of course with a bit of mind reading and more assumptions on how people on here are thinking and on how the couples mindset was. So I have edited your reply to basically answer what I originally asked before I stood before the Warren Commission over it and before Columbo comes to my door to tell me "just one more thing Sir".

So excellent we agree.
Like playing chess with a pigeon haha

Captain Trips
01-06-2018, 09:17 AM
I think, if you had stopped at the bit in bold and omitted the bit in red you would have had some more sympathy, but by adding the bit in red you lowered yourself to being rude yourself, possibly more rude than the thoughtless smokers.

But its irrelevant to the point made. Its not about me looking for sympathy its about you its about everyone apart from me its about do you find their act rude/ignorant in what you expect from others people? I made it clear I didnt accept it. Would you find what they did an issue? I wanted to see if others found THAT rude.

It appears you found them thoughtless so you also agree, Excellent:thumbsup:

Captain Trips
01-06-2018, 09:20 AM
Like playing chess with a pigeon haha

Did you threaten to overrule him?

Mrs. S
01-06-2018, 09:28 AM
Anybody else want to hunt this couple down and slap them? Not because of the smoking but purely because this thread is still going! :greengrin

Captain Trips
01-06-2018, 09:30 AM
Anybody else want to hunt this couple down and slap them? Not because of the smoking but purely because this thread is still going! :greengrin

Haha nice one you can slap me if you like but please do not mention any violence towards them. You wont find them anyway Mr S :wink:

CropleyWasGod
01-06-2018, 09:32 AM
Haha nice one you can slap me if you like but please do not mention any violence towards them. You wont find them anyway Mr S :wink:

I'll hold the door open for her as she leaves.

She'll thank me. :wink:

Captain Trips
01-06-2018, 09:35 AM
I'll hold the door open for her as she leaves.

She'll thank me. :wink:

You do that, look have you not got Sevcos accounts to be looking into anyways?:greengrin

snooky
01-06-2018, 09:39 AM
I'm feeling sorry for the pigeon that got dragged into this. :wink:

Moulin Yarns
01-06-2018, 09:42 AM
Like playing chess with a pigeon haha

Rook takes pigeon. Checkmate.

Moulin Yarns
01-06-2018, 09:43 AM
But its irrelevant to the point made. Its not about me looking for sympathy its about you its about everyone apart from me its about do you find their act rude/ignorant in what you expect from others people? I made it clear I didnt accept it. Would you find what they did an issue? I wanted to see if others found THAT rude.

It appears you found them thoughtless so you also agree, Excellent:thumbsup:

Just to be clear. 2 rudes don't make you right.

snooky
01-06-2018, 09:44 AM
Rook takes pigeon. Checkmate.

There, I rest my case.

Moulin Yarns
01-06-2018, 09:45 AM
But its irrelevant to the point made. Its not about me looking for sympathy its about you its about everyone apart from me its about do you find their act rude/ignorant in what you expect from others people? I made it clear I didnt accept it. Would you find what they did an issue? I wanted to see if others found THAT rude.

It appears you found them thoughtless so you also agree, Excellent:thumbsup:

I think they were thoughtless, not rude. Your reaction to them was rude and uncalled for.

Captain Trips
01-06-2018, 09:47 AM
I think they were thoughtless


I will take that though GF its good enough for me :thumbsup:

Captain Trips
01-06-2018, 09:50 AM
Just to be clear. 2 rudes don't make you right.

Where did I say I was right out of interest? But above you have answered the original point which is excellent.

Moulin Yarns
01-06-2018, 10:03 AM
Where did I say I was right out of interest? But above you have answered the original point which is excellent.

You called them rude while I think they were thoughtless. Not even close to being rude.

I am imagining a forum on Saga, old codgers.net, where there are a couple debating whether you were rude to them and others making excuses for you. "Maybe he has emphesima or asthma ". "what if had had bad news"

Captain Trips
01-06-2018, 10:04 AM
Anyone smoking in my vicinity annoys me so I get the OP completely.


Totally sensible view IMHO... I just can't see how anyone could reasonably argue differently???

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Kind of agree with the OP here. If they smokers had sat at a different table then I think they’re fair game to smoke, if they’ve sat at the same table then it’s just common courtesy to ask.

i don’t smoke myself, never have, but I do have friends who do, and in my experience they are all very conscious of where the smoke wafts, often they’ll move themself or get me to move so the smoke isn’t blowing towards me.


If the smokers were at a seperate table then I think they'd be entitled to do as they please, but since they joined the OP and his wife they should probably have asked if either minded beforehand.


Smokers in general are ignorant and selfish. Just because you like smoking and the horrendous smell doesn't mean everyone else wants to smell it.


Irrelevant whether they were eating or not, it's a matter of consideration for others.
In this case, FAIL.


I will take that though GF its good enough for me :thumbsup:

I would like to thank all of the above whom appeared to agree with me on the question asked at the start. Glad to see a few others find it poor. If you do think it was ok to smoke at the table then fair enough.

I have a decent idea on thoughts on this please feel free to close this thread admin.

Moulin Yarns
01-06-2018, 10:05 AM
I would like to thank all of the above whom appeared to agree with me on the question asked at the start. Glad to see a few others find it poor.

You quoted yourself. 😉

Mr White
01-06-2018, 10:07 AM
You quoted yourself. 😉

Thank me very much :greengrin

Captain Trips
01-06-2018, 10:10 AM
You quoted yourself. ��

Awww no so I did "just one more thing sir". I probably have made a fair few spelling mistakes and grammatical errors also. I have yet to feed my cat this morning also.

snooky
01-06-2018, 10:14 AM
You quoted yourself. ��

Captain Trips up? :greengrin

Mrs. S
01-06-2018, 10:17 AM
I'll hold the door open for her as she leaves.

She'll thank me. :wink:

Will you hold an ashtray at the door too so i can stub my fag out as i go?

CropleyWasGod
01-06-2018, 10:28 AM
Will you hold an ashtray at the door too so i can stub my fag out as i go?

I'm too much of a gentleman not to.

And too much of a gentleman to tell you who's face... sorry, where.... I would like you to stub it out....... :greengrin

Mrs. S
01-06-2018, 10:30 AM
I'm too much of a gentleman not to.

And too much of a gentleman to tell you who's face... sorry, where.... I would like you to stub it out....... :greengrin

:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

Might even be worth starting smoking for

CropleyWasGod
01-06-2018, 10:32 AM
:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

Might even be worth starting smoking for

Might even be worth selling tickets for.

Moulin Yarns
01-06-2018, 10:34 AM
Anybody think that there should have been a poll?

Do you think it was rude to sit and smoke at the same table as me?

Do you think I was rude in calling them 'sweary words'?

Would you do the same?

Mrs. S
01-06-2018, 10:35 AM
Might even be worth selling tickets for.

Just dont use viagogo!

CropleyWasGod
01-06-2018, 10:37 AM
Anybody think that there should have been a poll?

Do you think it was rude to sit and smoke at the same table as me?

Do you think I was rude in calling them 'sweary words'?

Would you do the same?

I think a more pertinent poll would be whether it would be right for Hibs.net to have a holiday in the close-season. Have a skeleton-service of threads about transfers and the World Cup.... and none of this ****, entertaining/annoying/compulsive as it may be.

Captain Trips
01-06-2018, 10:37 AM
Anybody think that there should have been a poll?

Do you think it was rude to sit and smoke at the same table as me?

Do you think I was rude in calling them 'sweary words'?

Would you do the same?

Cheers for the advice, the poll would only have had: Do you think it was rude to sit and smoke at the same table as me?

The rest is yet again irrelevant.

How was the chess match?

CropleyWasGod
01-06-2018, 10:37 AM
Just dont use viagogo!

Oh, I would, just so that "someone" can start another thread on them. :greengrin

Mrs. S
01-06-2018, 10:39 AM
Oh, I would, just so that "someone" can start another thread on them. :greengrin

Id just merge them :greengrin

snooky
01-06-2018, 10:42 AM
Cheers for the advice, the poll would only have had: Do you think it was rude to sit and smoke at the same table as me?

The rest is yet again irrelevant.

How was the chess match?

The doo got done apparently. :dead:

snooky
01-06-2018, 10:44 AM
Oh, I would, just so that "someone" can start another thread on them. :greengrin

:greengrin :offski:

Moulin Yarns
01-06-2018, 11:09 AM
Cheers for the advice, the poll would only have had: Do you think it was rude to sit and smoke at the same table as me?

The rest is yet again irrelevant.

How was the chess match?

My answer is no. It may have been unthinking and inconsiderate but it wasn't rude.

Captain Trips
01-06-2018, 11:20 AM
My answer is no. It may have been unthinking and inconsiderate but it wasn't rude.

I will put you in the halfway group. Anything else?

Mrs. S
01-06-2018, 11:21 AM
My answer is no. It may have been unthinking and inconsiderate but it wasn't rude.


Is unthinking and inconsiderate not rude?

Captain Trips
01-06-2018, 12:01 PM
Is unthinking and inconsiderate not rude?

I would say you add them together you get rude.

Sylar
01-06-2018, 12:27 PM
Cheers for the advice, the poll would only have had: Do you think it was rude to sit and smoke at the same table as me?

The rest is yet again irrelevant.

How was the chess match?

I'm still really curious as to why you had the temerity to opt for abuse, rather than a polite request?

Captain Trips
01-06-2018, 12:35 PM
I'm still really curious as to why you had the temerity to opt for abuse, rather than a polite request?

It was said politely but not a polite phrase however I'm curious as to why they had the temerity to just sit next to us and smoke.

Perhaps it was mirroring I'm going to speak to them as rudely as they have just been to me.

I deem their behavior as worse than mine.

Sylar
01-06-2018, 12:51 PM
It was said politely but not a polite phrase however I'm curious as to why they had the temerity to just sit next to us and smoke.

Perhaps it was mirroring I'm going to speak to them as rudely as they have just been to me.

I deem their behavior as worse than mine.

Fair enough CT - I've said earlier in the thread that you have the sympathies of some folk, and I am one of them.

In similar situations, I've always opted to politely ask first (as I won't be dragged down to anyone else's level), but I appreciate your reply :agree:

Captain Trips
01-06-2018, 12:58 PM
Fair enough CT - I've said earlier in the thread that you have the sympathies of some folk, and I am one of them.

In similar situations, I've always opted to politely ask first (as I won't be dragged down to anyone else's level), but I appreciate your reply :agree:

No problem we all take things differently, some folk wouldn't mind some have have gone further than me.

For me I would rather be called an ignorant ******* something that lasts a couple of seconds than sit around in amongst smoke at the table.

lapsedhibee
01-06-2018, 10:26 PM
No problem we all take things differently, some folk wouldn't mind some have have gone further than me.

For me I would rather be called an ignorant ******* something that lasts a couple of seconds than sit around in amongst smoke at the table.

Who would have gone further than calling them ignorant ******* ? And what would further be? Punching the bloke out (and then of course punching his burd out as it would be rude to gender-discriminate)? :dunno:

Captain Trips
01-06-2018, 11:21 PM
Who would have gone further than calling them ignorant ******* ? And what would further be? Punching the bloke out (and then of course punching his burd out as it would be rude to gender-discriminate)? :dunno:

I don't see what is confusing people get assaulted everyday for various things that you or I may think are rather trivial.

WeeRussell
04-06-2018, 03:38 PM
I don't see what is confusing people get assaulted everyday for various things that you or I may think are rather trivial.

I don't think anyone on this thread would have physically assaulted a couple for smoking at an outside public table. Then again, there are a few characters on here and I could be wrong :greengrin

Captain Trips
04-06-2018, 06:48 PM
I don't think anyone on this thread would have physically assaulted a couple for smoking at an outside public table. Then again, there are a few characters on here and I could be wrong :greengrin

How do you know? I'm saying in general people have actually been assaulted for far less. You or I have no idea what folk are capable of on this website if we haven't met them. I will think though everyone on here is sound.

oldbutdim
05-06-2018, 04:08 AM
I wonder if the area had ĎSmoking Zoneí notices up.

Unnoticed by some.

Captain Trips
05-06-2018, 07:59 AM
I wonder if the area had ĎSmoking Zoneí notices up.

Unnoticed by some.

You can smoke that's never been the issue, the issue was just sitting at our table without even acknowledging us when there were other tables then just to start smoking once again without saying. I think the least I expect is some sort of acknowledgement if at a table with other people.

WeeRussell
05-06-2018, 09:45 AM
How do you know? I'm saying in general people have actually been assaulted for far less. You or I have no idea what folk are capable of on this website if we haven't met them. I will think though everyone on here is sound.

I don't. That's why I said "I don't think" and then acknowledged I could well be wrong.

You said yourself you think everyone on here is sound though. So basically you said the same thing as me in reverse :aok:

Captain Trips
05-06-2018, 10:50 AM
I don't. That's why I said "I don't think" and then acknowledged I could well be wrong.

You said yourself you think everyone on here is sound though. So basically you said the same thing as me in reverse :aok:

Sorry I HOPE everyone on here is sound, you on the other hand :greengrin

WeeRussell
05-06-2018, 12:22 PM
Sorry I HOPE everyone on here is sound, you on the other hand :greengrin

You don't need to tell me I'm not sound... I'm one of the biggest to55ers I've ever met.

Moulin Yarns
05-06-2018, 03:11 PM
Have you considered the fact you were taking up seats in the smoking area while not smoking.😉

The couple rightly lit up in the smoking area, it would have been a different scenario if they were inside the pub where it is not allowed.

Captain Trips
05-06-2018, 04:52 PM
Have you considered the fact you were taking up seats in the smoking area while not smoking.😉

The couple rightly lit up in the smoking area, it would have been a different scenario if they were inside the pub where it is not allowed.

It's a beer garden for the use of everyone, they can light up I am saying at a shared table when others available they should have at least said you OK if we sit here and then smoke. Maybe you don't but I have never sat at a table in a pub that people are at without saying to them is it OK to sit there.

calumhibee1
05-06-2018, 05:12 PM
It's a beer garden for the use of everyone, they can light up I am saying at a shared table when others available they should have at least said you OK if we sit here and then smoke. Maybe you don't but I have never sat at a table in a pub that people are at without saying to them is it OK to sit there.

I agree with you that they should have asked. I do think you sound like you over reacted though. But they should have asked, smokers know how much non smokers hate it so to sit beside you and spark up is rude. Even my mates would ask me if they were doing that, never mind a stranger.

Just Alf
05-06-2018, 06:30 PM
Have you considered the fact you were taking up seats in the smoking area while not smoking.[emoji6]

The couple rightly lit up in the smoking area, it would have been a different scenario if they were inside the pub where it is not allowed.Hang on!! Who said it was the smoking area? Been in places down south where they segregate it so everyone has a choice.. I think the Railway (Juniper) did it, not sure if it still does, although last time I was there the ashtrays were clearly all placed in one area of the garden..... Thing is if smokers are going to ignore that then they will reap what they sow as we did regarding smoking inside?

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