Stubbs Wants Oxley Yellow Card Rescinded

[Keith_M]

According to an article in the Scotsman (http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/teams/hibernian/hibs-alan-stubbs-wants-mark-oxley-yellow-card-rescinded-1-4075338)

[Smartie]

Can that actually be done?

[Keith_M]

Can that actually be done?


TBH, I didn't think there was a right of appeal for yellow cards.

[Onceinawhile]

TBH, I didn't think there was a right of appeal for yellow cards.

An Aberdeen player had one rescinded for simulation just recently.

[CropleyWasGod]

An Aberdeen player had one rescinded for simulation just recently.

Simulation and mistaken identity are the only 2 scenarios where yellow cards can be appealled.

According to some, Oxley ain't a keeper, so maybe we have grounds there.... :greengrin

[ALF TUPPER]

Simulation and mistaken identity are the only 2 scenarios where yellow cards can be appealled.

According to some, Oxley ain't a keeper, so maybe we have grounds there.... :greengrin

Hahahaha 😂

[greenginger]

Normally it would be assumed , simulation meant pretending to be fouled when you were not, ie diving.

But simulation could equally mean pretending to be injured or requiring assistance when you are not.

Obviously Oxley required assistance but the ref got it wrong.

Grounds for appeal without a doubt, but its the GFA we are dealing with ..........

[R'Albin]

Would he be banned for the potential final if the appeal is rejected?

[JimBHibees]

Normally it would be assumed , simulation meant pretending to be fouled when you were not, ie diving.

But simulation could equally mean pretending to be injured or requiring assistance when you are not.

Obviously Oxley required assistance but the ref got it wrong.

Grounds for appeal without a doubt, but its the GFA we are dealing with ..........

Completely agree get the appeal in Hibs. Ludicrous booking. I see loads of goalies wasting time who don't get booked (there was a game this season where the goalie would start then stop his run about 3 times, no booking) yet Oxley seems to have this reputation not sure it is wholly justified.

[Smartie]

Completely agree get the appeal in Hibs. Ludicrous booking. I see loads of goalies wasting time who don't get booked (there was a game this season where the goalie would start then stop his run about 3 times, no booking) yet Oxley seems to have this reputation not sure it is wholly justified.

I think it is pretty justified tbh.

I thought he was lucky to stay on the park when he continued to do it in such an obvious manner after being booked in the derby replay. He's done it in a few other big games too.

I wonder if it has come back to bite him on the arse a bit on this occasion, i.e. he genuinely hasn't done anything wrong but a referee has acted with reputation twisting in his mind what he actually saw.

[Zazu62]

What's the problem with playing virtanen. Doesn't he deserve a shot?

[Keith_M]

Simulation and mistaken identity are the only 2 scenarios where yellow cards can be appealled.

According to some, Oxley ain't a keeper, so maybe we have grounds there.... :greengrin



:greengrin

[hibeeleicester]

What's the problem with playing virtanen. Doesn't he deserve a shot?

I also find this baffling, Stubbs must of had reason to get rid of Reguero to sign Otso and put him on such a long deal?

Why not play the big guy?

[hibee_girl]

What's the problem with playing virtanen. Doesn't he deserve a shot?

Exactly.

[Keith_M]

What's the problem with playing virtanen. Doesn't he deserve a shot?


Exactly.


You would have to discuss that with Stubbs.

[Prof. Shaggy]

Can that actually be done?

I think a referee can always reflect on card decision and change it after a match has finished.
I don't know what timescale he'd have to follow.

Or if Finnie has the slightest intention of reconsidering it.

[blackpoolhibs]

You would have to discuss that with Stubbs.


Unless he posts on here, perhaps the best place to discuss this is on a Hibs fans web site?

[Allant1981]

What's the problem with playing virtanen. Doesn't he deserve a shot?

Stubbs wants the strongest 11 playing and he obviously feels that oxley is the best we have at the moment

[Peevemor]

[QUOTE=Hiberniankb;4623628]What's the problem with playing virtanen. Doesn't he deserve a shot?[/QUOTE

What's the problem with Stubbs wanting as many players as possible available for selection for both the starting 11 and the bench?]

[liamh2202]

What's the problem with playing virtanen. Doesn't he deserve a shot?

No imo..... Oxley has tbe gloves and doesnt deserve to lose them because of a bad refereeing decision

[Lago]

I think it is pretty justified tbh.

I thought he was lucky to stay on the park when he continued to do it in such an obvious manner after being booked in the derby replay. He's done it in a few other big games too.

I wonder if it has come back to bite him on the arse a bit on this occasion, i.e. he genuinely hasn't done anything wrong but a referee has acted with reputation twisting in his mind what he actually saw.
Yip the boy who cried wolf.

[Keith_M]

Unless he posts on here, perhaps the best place to discuss this is on a Hibs fans web site?


True, but what I meant was that he's the only person who could explain his decision whether or not to play him, and his motivation to have the card rescinded.

Personally, I have no idea if the other guy is a decent keeper, tho his playing record would suggest he's OK.

[ben johnson]

Completely agree get the appeal in Hibs. Ludicrous booking. I see loads of goalies wasting time who don't get booked (there was a game this season where the goalie would start then stop his run about 3 times, no booking) yet Oxley seems to have this reputation not sure it is wholly justified.

Including the Dumbarton keeper who after our second goal took the ball out the net and launched it over the stand and out the ground Never seen the like and of course no action taken.

[--------]

I think it is pretty justified tbh.

I thought he was lucky to stay on the park when he continued to do it in such an obvious manner after being booked in the derby replay. He's done it in a few other big games too.

I wonder if it has come back to bite him on the arse a bit on this occasion, i.e. he genuinely hasn't done anything wrong but a referee has acted with reputation twisting in his mind what he actually saw.


I think you're right here.

A number of goalkeepers in both Scotland and England seem to be at this game right now, and it needs to be stopped. People don't pay good money to watch goalkeepers strolling around their 6-yard boxes putting off taking goal-kicks. It's gone on as long as football has been played, and every time the authorities change the rules to stamp it out someone figures a new way of getting around the regulations. Oxley's certainly not the only keeper who's at it, but I from what I can see he IS one of them.

Of course, before anything was done to rescind the yellow card, the League would have to ask Richie Foran what HE thought about it. He seemed to be doing most of the refereeing.

[JimBHibees]

I think it is pretty justified tbh.

I thought he was lucky to stay on the park when he continued to do it in such an obvious manner after being booked in the derby replay. He's done it in a few other big games too.

I wonder if it has come back to bite him on the arse a bit on this occasion, i.e. he genuinely hasn't done anything wrong but a referee has acted with reputation twisting in his mind what he actually saw.

Not so sure it is see loads of goalies doing the same and not getting booked. Can remember the Hearts fans booking him at the first derby last season

[HibsNutter]

Whether you'd play Oxley or Virtanen is irrelevant, we need to get this ridiculous ban overturned so Stubbs has the choice of who to play.

For all we know, Virtanen might pick up an injury that would rule him out of the semi himself, then we'd be totally screwed.

[easty]

I think time wasting by goalies isn't nearly as bad as it's made out to be. You'll see teams get a throw in, boy pick up the ball, then motion to throw it, wait a bit and hand it over to someone else to take it. Nae bookings for that. Plenty time can be taken at free kicks too.

[les83]

It's a ridiculous booking. Clearly there was an issue with his sight, otherwise we wouldn't have subbed him. The Scotsman article says the 4th official new what the problem was yet did nothing. It's a poor show, almost as poor as the ref getting in the way of the ball twice in a national cup semi final...

[Franck Stanton]

What's the problem with playing virtanen. Doesn't he deserve a shot?


My thoughts exactly, if he is any good, [and it would seem we rate him with the length of his contract,] then just play him, after all, Oxley isn't that good a keeper now is he ? Competent but nothing outstanding, in fact , there have been quite a few posters on .Net recently asking for him to be dropped anyway.

[emerald green]

I think it is pretty justified tbh.

I wonder if it has come back to bite him on the arse a bit on this occasion, i.e. he genuinely hasn't done anything wrong but a referee has acted with reputation twisting in his mind what he actually saw.

The bit in bold - If that's what Finnie acted upon, that's just yet another example of piss poor refereeing ruining our game.

Why could Finnie not have spoken to Oxley and asked him what the problem was? Did he do that? If he knew what the problem was and then booked him that's ridiculous. If the fourth official was aware of the situation, why wasn't Finnie?

Stubbs is asking for common sense to prevail. If so, he'll have a long wait.


Including the Dumbarton keeper who after our second goal took the ball out the net and launched it over the stand and out the ground Never seen the like and of course no action taken.

:agree: Yet quite a few on this forum seem to concentrate their criticism on Mark Oxley for time wasting, but never mention opposition goalkeepers who are far more guilty of blatant time wasting than Oxley. Strange.

[Alfred E Newman]

Regardless of whether Oxley is a habitual time waster or not, the booking on Wednesday was clearly unfair and unjustified . It should be rescinded but whether it will be is another matter.

[Hibby Bairn]

I think time wasting by goalies isn't nearly as bad as it's made out to be. You'll see teams get a throw in, boy pick up the ball, then motion to throw it, wait a bit and hand it over to someone else to take it. Nae bookings for that. Plenty time can be taken at free kicks too.

Aye. Free kicks now can take as long as a scrum in rugby. What a palava.

[Billy Whizz]

Aye. Free kicks now can take as long as a scrum in rugby. What a palava.

Maybe stopping the clock is the way to resolve it

[McD]

Including the Dumbarton keeper who after our second goal took the ball out the net and launched it over the stand and out the ground Never seen the like and of course no action taken.


Livingston keeper a few weeks ago must have taken over 20 minutes out of the 90 taking goal kicks, was getting ridiculous. Not once did the ref even wave the keeper to speed it up. Refereeing is abysmal in Scotland

[NadeAteMyLunch!]

Oxley takes his time with every single kick, whether it's minute 1 or 90, whether we're winning, drawing or losing. It's what he does. Refs only start to care when opposition fans start booing. I've watched some ridiculous time wasting over the past two seasons in this tin pot league and it's rarely punished by refs. Oxley has clearly been discussed at one of their monthly meetings as they can't wait to book him these days. The booking on Wed was a shambles.
As for folk saying it doesn't matter as we have Otso, of course it does! It leaves us with very little experience on the bench, even worse if he was to pick up an injury before next month.

[O'Rourke3]

Whether Otso deserves a shot ir not Im not convinced the best place for him to make his debut in the semi final of a cup we've been trying to win now for 114 years. The alternative is he plays in the next 3 or 4 games and gets injured/ has a nightmare and Stubbs has to put Oxley back in for the league games.

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[Skol]

he made his debut the other night !

[O'Rourke3]

he made his debut the other night !
Full debut...... :Greengrin:

[The Green Goblin]

Maybe stopping the clock is the way to resolve it

Even a stopped clock tells the right time twice a day. :greengrin

[Borderhibbie76]

The bit in bold - If that's what Finnie acted upon, that's just yet another example of piss poor refereeing ruining our game.

Why could Finnie not have spoken to Oxley and asked him what the problem was? Did he do that? If he knew what the problem was and then booked him that's ridiculous. If the fourth official was aware of the situation, why wasn't Finnie?

Stubbs is asking for common sense to prevail. If so, he'll have a long wait.



:agree: Yet quite a few on this forum seem to concentrate their criticism on Mark Oxley for time wasting, but never mention opposition goalkeepers who are far more guilty of blatant time wasting than Oxley. Strange.
Absolutely...every visiting keeper in the league this season at ER has done it far worse than oxley ever has....mostly all without any punishment

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