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Spike Mandela
04-07-2014, 02:24 PM
I see there is a real trend now of newspapers lifting posts from this site and building stories around them. Only this morning several papers had quotes on the new strip direct from a thread on here.

Apart from being cheap and easy journalism, the journalist is quoting peaople who a) he doesn't know their real name, b) he is assuming they are genuinely Hibs fan c) he assumes they reflect the bigger Hibs community as opposed to the .net bubble and d) he cherry picks posts that suits the agenda of the article.

I have seen several articles like this since we got relegated, and whilst initially posters might get a wee buzz from seeing their username quoted in the paper they can still easily be misrepresented with no recourse open to them.

Is there anything the .net administrators can do to ensure that journalists need permission to quote people on here or as it's a public forum are we all fair game?

Keith_M
04-07-2014, 02:35 PM
I see there is a real trend now of newspapers lifting posts from this site and building stories around them. Only this morning several papers had quotes on the new strip direct from a thread on here.

Apart from being cheap and easy journalism, the journalist is quoting peaople who a) he doesn't know their real name, b) he is assuming they are genuinely Hibs fan c) he assumes they reflect the bigger Hibs community as opposed to the .net bubble and d) he cherry picks posts that suits the agenda of the article.

I have seen several articles like this since we got relegated, and whilst initially posters might get a wee buzz from seeing their username quoted in the paper they can still easily be misrepresented with no recourse open to them.

Is there anything the .net administrators can do to ensure that journalists need permission to quote people on here or as it's a public forum are we all fair game?


If you mean the article on the new strips, it's merely a selection from a large number of posts that say exactly the same thing. I don't want to start yet another argument about the strips, but the poll on this site was pretty conclusive that it is mostly not liked (360 voted people so far, 75% didn't like it).

So, in this instance, they haven't done anything wrong, surely

:dunno:

marinello59
04-07-2014, 02:37 PM
I see there is a real trend now of newspapers lifting posts from this site and building stories around them. Only this morning several papers had quotes on the new strip direct from a thread on here.

Apart from being cheap and easy journalism, the journalist is quoting peaople who a) he doesn't know their real name, b) he is assuming they are genuinely Hibs fan c) he assumes they reflect the bigger Hibs community as opposed to the .net bubble and d) he cherry picks posts that suits the agenda of the article.

I have seen several articles like this since we got relegated, and whilst initially posters might get a wee buzz from seeing their username quoted in the paper they can still easily be misrepresented with no recourse open to them.

Is there anything the .net administrators can do to ensure that journalists need permission to quote people on here or as it's a public forum are we all fair game?

If we post anything on a public forum then it's pretty much fair game.

marinello59
04-07-2014, 02:39 PM
If you mean the article on the new strips, it's merely a selection from a large number of posts that say exactly the same thing. I don't want to start yet another argument about the strips, but the poll on this site was pretty conclusive that it is mostly not liked (360 voted people so far, 75% didn't like it).

So, in this instance, they haven't done anything wrong, surely

:dunno:

I reckon a new poll completed by people who have actually seen the strip would give a much more positive result. Looks like we went through premature hysteria yesterday. :greengrin

weonlywon6-2
04-07-2014, 02:40 PM
As its on an open forum then i presume you will have no come back on it
Papers are simply quoting what they have found and its not their opinion
The private members forum may be a bit tighter but if you put something on the web then you cany really say its a secret or confidential

Spike Mandela
04-07-2014, 02:45 PM
If you mean the article on the new strips, it's merely a selection from a large number of posts that say exactly the same thing. I don't want to start yet another argument about the strips, but the poll on this site was pretty conclusive that it is mostly not liked (360 voted people so far, 75% didn't like it).

So, in this instance, they haven't done anything wrong, surely

:dunno:

Really not bothered about article today, don't care one iota about the strip to be honest, but there have been other articles recently about Hibs relegation etc using quotes from here.

What I am really getting at is a journalist could cherry pick quotes from our more extreme posters (doom and gloom/happy clapper camps) or indeed select a quote from a Jambo pretending to be a Hibby and then say it's representing Hibs fans. It doesn't.

Viva_Palmeiras
04-07-2014, 03:01 PM
If you mean the article on the new strips, it's merely a selection from a large number of posts that say exactly the same thing. I don't want to start yet another argument about the strips, but the poll on this site was pretty conclusive that it is mostly not liked (360 voted people so far, 75% didn't like it).

So, in this instance, they haven't done anything wrong, surely

:dunno:

Get your chi squared out to see if it is significant...

62.07% of stats are significant ;)

Keith_M
04-07-2014, 03:05 PM
I reckon a new poll completed by people who have actually seen the strip would give a much more positive result. Looks like we went through premature hysteria yesterday. :greengrin


You never know mate :greengrin




By the way, I think the new training top is the b*ll*x. I'm defo getting me one of them.


:thumbsup:

Keith_M
04-07-2014, 03:07 PM
Really not bothered about article today, don't care one iota about the strip to be honest, but there have been other articles recently about Hibs relegation etc using quotes from here.

What I am really getting at is a journalist could cherry pick quotes from our more extreme posters (doom and gloom/happy clapper camps) or indeed select a quote from a Jambo pretending to be a Hibby and then say it's representing Hibs fans. It doesn't.


Sorry bud, I get your point.


As mentioned, it's a public forum so I don't think there's anything the Admins can do.

Spike Mandela
04-07-2014, 03:09 PM
:hijack: try using one of the 300 other threads yakking about the bloody top:wink::greengrin

Trying to make a point about newspapers quoting posters from here. Today's article is irrelevant.:aok:

Spike Mandela
04-07-2014, 03:12 PM
Sorry bud, I get your point.


As mentioned, it's a public forum so I don't think there's anything the Admins can do.

Agree the admins can't do anything but you would think journalists have a responsibility to check out validity of people they are quoting in articles.

Lewis77
04-07-2014, 03:23 PM
I see there is a real trend now of newspapers lifting posts from this site and building stories around them. Only this morning several papers had quotes on the new strip direct from a thread on here.

Apart from being cheap and easy journalism, the journalist is quoting peaople who a) he doesn't know their real name, b) he is assuming they are genuinely Hibs fan c) he assumes they reflect the bigger Hibs community as opposed to the .net bubble and d) he cherry picks posts that suits the agenda of the article.

I have seen several articles like this since we got relegated, and whilst initially posters might get a wee buzz from seeing their username quoted in the paper they can still easily be misrepresented with no recourse open to them.

Is there anything the .net administrators can do to ensure that journalists need permission to quote people on here or as it's a public forum are we all fair game?



Indicative of lazy journalism I'm afraid. Many don't appear to get off their arse and actually do journalism anymore by investigating a situation professionally. They'd prefer not to speak to people but rather sit at home glued to a screen sourcing dubious information 2nd or 3rd hand.

Keith_M
04-07-2014, 03:44 PM
:hijack: try using one of the 300 other threads yakking about the bloody top:wink::greengrin

Trying to make a point about newspapers quoting posters from here. Today's article is irrelevant.:aok:


You were the one that mentioned the bl**dy top!

:na na:



.....Only this morning several papers had quotes on the new strip direct from a thread on here.

emerald green
04-07-2014, 04:12 PM
This seems to a fairly recent development is it not? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I can't remember having seen newspapers doing this until fairly recently.

I'm just wondering what has prompted them to start quoting specific posters from this forum?

seven nowt
04-07-2014, 04:15 PM
I dare the ballbags to quote this post..

Sumner
04-07-2014, 04:18 PM
.. last few seasons the PR machine at Easter Road has been so good as well, always helpful and forthcoming to the media & supporters alike.. oh aye..

21.05.2016
04-07-2014, 04:23 PM
As someone already mentioned, if you put something on a public forum then it can be picked up by anyone. Very lazy and tacky journalism none the less.

LaMotta
04-07-2014, 05:08 PM
What is the difference between a journalist taking quotes from hibs.net or finding some Hibs fans themselves to get a similar response?

Not really lazy just common sense surely!

HIBERNIAN-0762
04-07-2014, 05:10 PM
They didn't seem to notice our hundreds of posts regarding the Hearts scandal, let them right off the hook there didn't they?

Lewis77
04-07-2014, 05:17 PM
What is the difference between a journalist taking quotes from hibs.net or finding some Hibs fans themselves to get a similar response?

Not really lazy just common sense surely!

It's second hand not first person contact. It's about authenticity and accuracy. There is no way to verify the truth of a nameless person on a forum. For example it may not be a Hibs fan, could just be someone masquerading as one.

It's shoddy weak and lazy journalism which sadly is killing the media industry in my opinion.

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04-07-2014, 05:22 PM
I reckon a new poll completed by people who have actually seen the strip would give a much more positive result. Looks like we went through premature hysteria yesterday. :greengrin

Premature hysteria? On Hibs.net? :shocked:

Shurely shome mishtake here?

Put anything up here - you can be quoted. It's not 'shoddy journalism', either - it's journalists using every source available to them.

Some of us can be so sensitive sometimes ....

Spike Mandela
04-07-2014, 06:13 PM
Premature hysteria? On Hibs.net? :shocked:

Shurely shome mishtake here?

Put anything up here - you can be quoted. It's not 'shoddy journalism', either - it's journalists using every source available to them.

Some of us can be so sensitive sometimes ....

Headline tomorrow........."drunken Hibs fan calling himself Doddie even slurs his words in print!"

Jonnyboy
04-07-2014, 06:16 PM
I see there is a real trend now of newspapers lifting posts from this site and building stories around them. Only this morning several papers had quotes on the new strip direct from a thread on here.

Apart from being cheap and easy journalism, the journalist is quoting peaople who a) he doesn't know their real name, b) he is assuming they are genuinely Hibs fan c) he assumes they reflect the bigger Hibs community as opposed to the .net bubble and d) he cherry picks posts that suits the agenda of the article.

I have seen several articles like this since we got relegated, and whilst initially posters might get a wee buzz from seeing their username quoted in the paper they can still easily be misrepresented with no recourse open to them.

Is there anything the .net administrators can do to ensure that journalists need permission to quote people on here or as it's a public forum are we all fair game?

Spike, if it's the one in the Sun you're referring too it was written by Kenny Miller (no, not the new new Hun :greengrin) and he frequents these boards enough to quote those he is sure are Hibs fans :agree:

Spike Mandela
04-07-2014, 06:36 PM
Spike, if it's the one in the Sun you're referring too it was written by Kenny Miller (no, not the new new Hun :greengrin) and he frequents these boards enough to quote those he is sure are Hibs fans :agree:

It was in a few papers Jonnyboy. Didn't know if he 'reported' it or copied it from elsewhere.

Jonnyboy
04-07-2014, 06:41 PM
It was in a few papers Jonnyboy. Didn't know if he 'reported' it or copied it from elsewhere.

I knew it was in the Sun because in a moment of weakness I read it in the cafe this morning :greengrin

Jonnyboy
05-07-2014, 12:53 PM
Just heard from Kenny. He didn't write that article and was as surprised as anyone else that his name had been attached to it!

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05-07-2014, 01:01 PM
Headline tomorrow........."drunken Hibs fan calling himself Doddie even slurs his words in print!"

Or even "drunken Hibs fan calling himself Doddie revealed as media tycoon Lord Gnome"?

Next one - "Media tycoon Lord Gnome in takeover bid for Hibs"!

Third one - "Lord Gnome statement on Hibs takeover - 'shurely shome mishtake'".

heretoday
05-07-2014, 03:27 PM
Re journalists printing net posts, how often is it that we hear reporters on radio and tv referring to Wikipedia as a source? Let's remember - it's not 100 % fact.

Lazy sods.

Beefster
05-07-2014, 04:20 PM
If any of the tabloids quote one of my pearls of wisdom, can someone give me a heads up please? My CV needs a bit of pizazz and writing for the Sun/Express/Evening News etc under 'Hobbies' is probably better than 'socialising'.

Jonnyboy
05-07-2014, 07:44 PM
If any of the tabloids quote one of my pearls of wisdom, can someone give me a heads up please? My CV needs a bit of pizazz and writing for the Sun/Express/Evening News etc under 'Hobbies' is probably better than 'socialising'.

:greengrin

FranckSuzy
05-07-2014, 10:24 PM
They didn't seem to notice our hundreds of posts regarding the Hearts scandal, let them right off the hook there didn't they?

:agree: :top marks And, you can quote me on that :cb

ian cruise
05-07-2014, 11:30 PM
If we post anything on a public forum then it's pretty much fair game.

Indeed. I had information lifted of my Facebook wall concerning the Clutha without even the good manners to ask first. I put an official complaint in to the paper and that was their response. Weren't even apologetic. I understand the argument but it's shoddy lazy journalism and it would be easy enough to have the manners to message and ask if the person minded being quoted before being put in press.

Bayern Bru
06-07-2014, 12:08 AM
Or from the journalists' point of view, they need quotes to back up a story and they don't have time to wait hours and hours for someone they've attempted to contact via Facebook, Twitter or some other medium to get back to them so they take comments from a public fans' forum to ensure they've got supporters' reaction.

People complain when there aren't quotes to back up a story, and they complain when quotes are used.
I've also seen people complaining when their quotes are used but they aren't named in the story (e.g. a Hibs fan said on a fans' forum...)

I can understand why people might be a bit taken aback though - a throwaway comment made in the heat of the moment suddenly appearing in national media.

But personally, I'd rather read a story about Hibs that has quotes from dot net members in it than none at all - suggests the hack is at least interested enough to search out comments, no? :dunno:

Phil D. Rolls
06-07-2014, 09:33 AM
Or from the journalists' point of view, they need quotes to back up a story and they don't have time to wait hours and hours for someone they've attempted to contact via Facebook, Twitter or some other medium to get back to them so they take comments from a public fans' forum to ensure they've got supporters' reaction.

People complain when there aren't quotes to back up a story, and they complain when quotes are used.
I've also seen people complaining when their quotes are used but they aren't named in the story (e.g. a Hibs fan said on a fans' forum...)

I can understand why people might be a bit taken aback though - a throwaway comment made in the heat of the moment suddenly appearing in national media.

But personally, I'd rather read a story about Hibs that has quotes from dot net members in it than none at all - suggests the hack is at least interested enough to search out comments, no? :dunno:

These reporters would be as well saying " overheard on a bus", or "a bloke in the pub said". The day the fans become the story is the end of the road for football.

Eyrie
06-07-2014, 11:54 AM
Anything posted on here, Twitter, Facebook etc is already in the public domain. If you want to keep it private, then don't post it and just tell your friends face to face.

I'd be more concerned that the media are only willing to come here for negative quotes and will ignore positive reactions because those doesn't suit their agenda.