Reality check.

[Diclonius]

We got humped in Europe. Our tactics were wrong, and our performance was substandard to say the least.

But what really brings my piss to the boil is how after one, yes, ONE game of the season we're ALREADY calling for the manager to be sacked! Christ, what happened to giving people a chance! This is the man who - like it or lump it - got us into the European position we're in right now. Collins couldn't do it. Mixu couldn't do it. Let's actually praise ourselves in getting there in the first place.

I am in no way trying to defend Yogi's tactics last night. It was in infurating decision not to play Riordan or Stokes, and one that he should have changed earlier. But do you honestly believe that this outpouring of collective hate and anger is going to aid the team's performances in any way? The entire outcome of this season isn't going to be judged on one game alone - going beyond that, it'll also depend on whether or not the fans are going to get behind the manager and the team, and have it assured that they won't be reduced to screams of "**** OFF YOGI" etc etc if Motherwell take the lead on the 15th.

All I'm asking for is a little hope - a little optimism. In your eyes it may be completely unjustified, but it's the difference between having a mediocre season and having a totally **** one. If I remember correctly our excellent start last season was on a tidal wave of hope and optimism generated by Yogi's arrival. Our downsizing afterward got even worse when we unleashed total rage and anger on the manager and players at the first sign of danger. Is having a moan REALLY more important than watching your team do well?

Some of you may well say that you're not looking forward to the season, that it's most likely going to be ****, don't know why I'm turning up anyway etc etc etc. You can say that all you want, and if we all say it enough, and loudly enough so that Hibernian can hear our dissenting voices, then it won't most likely be a **** season - it definitely will be.

[hibees707070]

When you pay all that money and travel more than 35 hours to follow the team I think you are will within your right to want yogi out. Just got home and was disgusted by last night. Only seemed to make the changes once the fans stared calling for deeks and stokes. Also correct me if I'm wrong but from what I saw he never even clapped the fans at full time just wanted to get straight down the tunnel! Makes it even worse when I've just read yogi defended his team selection! Also too many players are just not hibs standard tired of hearing this they give 100% rubbish. What's worse is a player like Liam
miller has all the ability in the world but too often is hiding just shows why he is at us and not still man utd! Was a brilliant trip anyway just a shame we won't get another this season! The square throughout the day then the police escort to the ground were highlights!

[snooky]

We got humped in Europe. Our tactics were wrong, and our performance was substandard to say the least.

But what really brings my piss to the boil is how after one, yes, ONE game of the season we're ALREADY calling for the manager to be sacked! Christ, what happened to giving people a chance! This is the man who - like it or lump it - got us into the European position be......

I think you'll find the general dismay began at the start of the year and unless there's a vast improvement in the next couple of months, the pressure to bin him will escalate.
Right now, the ball in is Yogi's court. Good luck to him - he'll need it.

[YetholmHibee]

I think you'll find the general dismay began at the start of the year and unless there's a vast improvement in the next couple of months, the pressure to bin him will escalate.
Right now, the ball in is Yogi's court. Good luck to him - he'll need it.

If not earlier!

IMHO Yogi is not the man . . . end of. (Tactics, Formation, Subs, media chat)

The players at his disposal are not quality players at all, either.

Lacking in defence again.

I did not enjoy Mixu's season & I did not enjoy Yogi's last season - not looking forward to another.

[BT58]

The op may have been correct in saying that the fans
Reaction was a touch ott, but as I've muted in other
Threads, he has not rectified the situation of last term
The defence needs sorted out and fast, for JH to have
been an ex c/h himself,and seeing ours, why can't he
bring in 2 more experienced c/bs, it's obvious to all,with this defence were gonna struggle this term
If the form of last year carries on into this term, then
MR Hughes, that peg will become very shoogly

[Kaiser1962]

These games are too early in our season and, arguably, one of our most important games is the first competitive game. Celtic got beaten 3-0 and last year the Yams were four down after an hour. Motherwell have been more fortunate with the draw but I am sure, in a months time, the icelandic or norwegian teams would not get within two goals of them. Even Liverpool were hardly convincing.
It's absurd to be at this stage so early.

[Phil D. Rolls]

I think you'll find the general dismay began at the start of the year and unless there's a vast improvement in the next couple of months, the pressure to bin him will escalate.
Right now, the ball in is Yogi's court. Good luck to him - he'll need it.

Nail hit on head. :agree:

[tamig]

The op may have been correct in saying that the fans
Reaction was a touch ott, but as I've muted in other
Threads, he has not rectified the situation of last term
The defence needs sorted out and fast, for JH to have
been an ex c/h himself,and seeing ours, why can't he
bring in 2 more experienced c/bs, it's obvious to all,with this defence were gonna struggle this term
If the form of last year carries on into this term, then
MR Hughes, that peg will become very shoogly

Absolutely. A Martin Canning type is something we need just now. Not saying him specifically but someone of that ilk.

[HFC 0-7]

We got humped in Europe. Our tactics were wrong, and our performance was substandard to say the least.

But what really brings my piss to the boil is how after one, yes, ONE game of the season we're ALREADY calling for the manager to be sacked! Christ, what happened to giving people a chance! This is the man who - like it or lump it - got us into the European position we're in right now. Collins couldn't do it. Mixu couldn't do it. Let's actually praise ourselves in getting there in the first place.

I am in no way trying to defend Yogi's tactics last night. It was in infurating decision not to play Riordan or Stokes, and one that he should have changed earlier. But do you honestly believe that this outpouring of collective hate and anger is going to aid the team's performances in any way? The entire outcome of this season isn't going to be judged on one game alone - going beyond that, it'll also depend on whether or not the fans are going to get behind the manager and the team, and have it assured that they won't be reduced to screams of "**** OFF YOGI" etc etc if Motherwell take the lead on the 15th.

All I'm asking for is a little hope - a little optimism. In your eyes it may be completely unjustified, but it's the difference between having a mediocre season and having a totally **** one. If I remember correctly our excellent start last season was on a tidal wave of hope and optimism generated by Yogi's arrival. Our downsizing afterward got even worse when we unleashed total rage and anger on the manager and players at the first sign of danger. Is having a moan REALLY more important than watching your team do well?

Some of you may well say that you're not looking forward to the season, that it's most likely going to be ****, don't know why I'm turning up anyway etc etc etc. You can say that all you want, and if we all say it enough, and loudly enough so that Hibernian can hear our dissenting voices, then it won't most likely be a **** season - it definitely will be.

I think if it had been a one off in terms of tactics and performance then no one would be calling for Yogis head. What you seem to be forgetting is that for the last 20 games of last season we endured some terrible results performances, player choices and tactics. Ross County, Hamilton, Motherwell and St Johnstone games the lowest points in a run of defeats and draws where a win looked impossible.

A lot of these 20 or so games were put down to lack of decent players in particular positions. Well, Yogi has had plenty of time to get players in to sort the problem positions, he has also known that we will be playing in europe therefore if he wanted to play that negative keep ball tactic then he should have got the players in to be able to do it. Maybe he tried but couldnt get the right players in, if so he should have played to the team abilties not ask them to do something that is foreign to them in a european match which is also the first competative match.

Yogi failed with the simple choices that a manager must make. Wrong personel, leaving our 2 biggest goal threats on the bench, Nish up front on his own even after by his own admission he is not a target man, Wotherspoon on the left when we have a natural left sided player on the bench. Yogi played Riordan on the left all last season and used Galbraith periodically, it comes to this game and he plays wotherspoon on the left completely ignoring the person he played there all last season and the other natural player!

It is not just one game that people are making their opinion of Yogi on, its the tail end of last season. If Yogi is defending his tactics, player choice etc then it seems that he doest think very highly of his teams capabilties as we were well beaten 3-0 by a team that in all honestly are not brilliant, just average. They could have scored a lot more.

When hibs play in the SPL, we dont play negative football like that even against the old firm away from home so why do we change now?

[ekhibee]

I think if it had been a one off in terms of tactics and performance then no one would be calling for Yogis head. What you seem to be forgetting is that for the last 20 games of last season we endured some terrible results performances, player choices and tactics. Ross County, Hamilton, Motherwell and St Johnstone games the lowest points in a run of defeats and draws where a win looked impossible.

A lot of these 20 or so games were put down to lack of decent players in particular positions. Well, Yogi has had plenty of time to get players in to sort the problem positions, he has also known that we will be playing in europe therefore if he wanted to play that negative keep ball tactic then he should have got the players in to be able to do it. Maybe he tried but couldnt get the right players in, if so he should have played to the team abilties not ask them to do something that is foreign to them in a european match which is also the first competative match.

Yogi failed with the simple choices that a manager must make. Wrong personel, leaving our 2 biggest goal threats on the bench, Nish up front on his own even after by his own admission he is not a target man, Wotherspoon on the left when we have a natural left sided player on the bench. Yogi played Riordan on the left all last season and used Galbraith periodically, it comes to this game and he plays wotherspoon on the left completely ignoring the person he played there all last season and the other natural player!

It is not just one game that people are making their opinion of Yogi on, its the tail end of last season. If Yogi is defending his tactics, player choice etc then it seems that he doest think very highly of his teams capabilties as we were well beaten 3-0 by a team that in all honestly are not brilliant, just average. They could have scored a lot more.

When hibs play in the SPL, we dont play negative football like that even against the old firm away from home so why do we change now?
:top marks Quite right. It's NOT a knee-jerk reaction, because there appears to be virtually no change from the woeful performances last season. It's not only Yogi that has to take responsibility here mind you, it's Rice, who obviously didn't do his homework in advising Yogi how to play against this team, and the players, who should know just what it means to this club to have a good run in Europe, and put in a typically garbage performance.

[w.connectionfc]

We got humped in Europe. Our tactics were wrong, and our performance was substandard to say the least.

But what really brings my piss to the boil is how after one, yes, ONE game of the season we're ALREADY calling for the manager to be sacked! Christ, what happened to giving people a chance! This is the man who - like it or lump it - got us into the European position we're in right now. Collins couldn't do it. Mixu couldn't do it. Let's actually praise ourselves in getting there in the first place.

I am in no way trying to defend Yogi's tactics last night. It was in infurating decision not to play Riordan or Stokes, and one that he should have changed earlier. But do you honestly believe that this outpouring of collective hate and anger is going to aid the team's performances in any way? The entire outcome of this season isn't going to be judged on one game alone - going beyond that, it'll also depend on whether or not the fans are going to get behind the manager and the team, and have it assured that they won't be reduced to screams of "**** OFF YOGI" etc etc if Motherwell take the lead on the 15th.

All I'm asking for is a little hope - a little optimism. In your eyes it may be completely unjustified, but it's the difference between having a mediocre season and having a totally **** one. If I remember correctly our excellent start last season was on a tidal wave of hope and optimism generated by Yogi's arrival. Our downsizing afterward got even worse when we unleashed total rage and anger on the manager and players at the first sign of danger. Is having a moan REALLY more important than watching your team do well?

Some of you may well say that you're not looking forward to the season, that it's most likely going to be ****, don't know why I'm turning up anyway etc etc etc. You can say that all you want, and if we all say it enough, and loudly enough so that Hibernian can hear our dissenting voices, then it won't most likely be a **** season - it definitely will be.

I'm sorry but how can anyone have optimism after watching last season. We must have have 3 or 4 games that were pleasurable. We went on a lucky streak when we could easily have losts the games we were winning. The players are sent out every week and look like they have never trained or played together. Hibs are lucky there are so many clubs in debt and who can't afford to improve their teams because if this wasn't the case we'd be at the bottom. Hughes is another Duffy but the footballs even worse.

[silverhibee]

I think if it had been a one off in terms of tactics and performance then no one would be calling for Yogis head. What you seem to be forgetting is that for the last 20 games of last season we endured some terrible results performances, player choices and tactics. Ross County, Hamilton, Motherwell and St Johnstone games the lowest points in a run of defeats and draws where a win looked impossible.

A lot of these 20 or so games were put down to lack of decent players in particular positions. Well, Yogi has had plenty of time to get players in to sort the problem positions, he has also known that we will be playing in europe therefore if he wanted to play that negative keep ball tactic then he should have got the players in to be able to do it. Maybe he tried but couldnt get the right players in, if so he should have played to the team abilties not ask them to do something that is foreign to them in a european match which is also the first competative match.

Yogi failed with the simple choices that a manager must make. Wrong personel, leaving our 2 biggest goal threats on the bench, Nish up front on his own even after by his own admission he is not a target man, Wotherspoon on the left when we have a natural left sided player on the bench. Yogi played Riordan on the left all last season and used Galbraith periodically, it comes to this game and he plays wotherspoon on the left completely ignoring the person he played there all last season and the other natural player!

It is not just one game that people are making their opinion of Yogi on, its the tail end of last season. If Yogi is defending his tactics, player choice etc then it seems that he doest think very highly of his teams capabilties as we were well beaten 3-0 by a team that in all honestly are not brilliant, just average. They could have scored a lot more.

When hibs play in the SPL, we dont play negative football like that even against the old firm away from home so why do we change now?

Maybe thats the new tactics for the season ahead in the SPL.

[SaulGoodman]

In no way am I defending Yogi. I'm as angry as everyone else after Thursdays display.

But hopefully after Thursday Yogi will realise that relying on the defence is not the way Hibs should play. Simply put, our defence is not strong enough. On Thursday players were getting to the half way line and turning back and passing to our defence. That cost us two goals. Hopefully Yogi will put Deeks and Stokes on from the start and realise that in Hibs case, a good offence is a good defence.

I don't think we'll win on Thursday but hopefully we'll go out and give Maribor a good game and run it close.

GGTTH :flag::flag::flag:

[Seanair]

In no way am I defending Yogi. I'm as angry as everyone else after Thursdays display.

But hopefully after Thursday Yogi will realise that relying on the defence is not the way Hibs should play. Simply put, our defence is not strong enough. On Thursday players were getting to the half way line and turning back and passing to our defence. That cost us two goals. Hopefully Yogi will put Deeks and Stokes on from the start and realise that in Hibs case, a good offence is a good defence.

I don't think we'll win on Thursday but hopefully we'll go out and give Maribor a good game and run it close.

GGTTH :flag::flag::flag:
My worry is that Hughes never learns from his mistakes. The seeds of the Maribor defeat were sown at Fir Park when we were leading 6-3 and he took Riordain off (the provider and scorer of goals up till then) and brought on McBride.

After that there was no Riordain to pass to and keep the Motherwell defence occupied. The Motherwell right back started rampaging down the space where DR had been and McBride was totally submerged in the waves of M'well attacks (I don't know if he touched the ball), leading to these dangerous crosses which our wee captain and crap goalies couldn't deal with.

You would think that Hughes would have at least learned a lesson from that howler,
so I was astonished at his tactics against Maribor. Others have picked out his other mistakes in playing people out of position. My main gripes are his continuing with Hogg (never a Hibs Captain) and Rankin (because he's got "good legs")--aye but he runs in circles.

If a manager can't learn from his mistakes he'll never be a GOOD Manager.:grr: