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pepe
10-04-2010, 08:55 PM
Come back J.C. you were right.

Jamesie
10-04-2010, 08:58 PM
Collins in + wasters out = success

Booked4Being-Ugly
10-04-2010, 09:01 PM
Collins in + wasters out = successYeah, bring back Clayton Donaldson as well!

Bairn
10-04-2010, 09:03 PM
The way Collins wanted us to train and play and just in general his idea of life as a footballer is lightyears of where Scottish football is right now.



Plus his signings were gash :greengrin

Hainan Hibs
10-04-2010, 09:04 PM
I miss JC:boo hoo:

Jamesie
10-04-2010, 09:06 PM
Yeah, bring back Clayton Donaldson as well!

Fair dos but remember, he was working with a very different cloth to that available to Hughes.

RoYO!
10-04-2010, 09:08 PM
he could really spot a player. Fingers crossed he brings back Alan O'brien too!:rolleyes:

cos of course none of the players that yogi has brought in have done anything, or raised the standard of player on show...

matty_f
10-04-2010, 09:17 PM
That John Collins was right is exactly the reason we need to stick by Yogi and let him get in about this club.

Replacing the manager tells the players (who JC saw as the problem) that they can carry on in the same way as much as they like, manager after manager after manager.

ScottB
10-04-2010, 09:24 PM
That John Collins was right is exactly the reason we need to stick by Yogi and let him get in about this club.

Replacing the manager tells the players (who JC saw as the problem) that they can carry on in the same way as much as they like, manager after manager after manager.

The squad revolted against Collins because they objected to his training, fitness and lifestyle regimes.

JC was right. However that doesn't relate to Yogi unless he too is trying to crack down on these attitudes at the club, if anything it looks like Yogi is the opposite of Collins; where he was too distant from the squad, Hughes seems to be too close.

CallumHibs07
10-04-2010, 09:25 PM
JC was pish:bitchy:

Jamesie
10-04-2010, 09:25 PM
That John Collins was right is exactly the reason we need to stick by Yogi and let him get in about this club.

When is he going to start then Matty?

vahibbie
10-04-2010, 09:48 PM
The way Collins wanted us to train and play and just in general his idea of life as a footballer is lightyears of where Scottish football is right now.

Aye mibbes, but it shouldn't be

Plus his signings were gash :greengrin

I think JC would be better second time around. Doubt he would be interested tho.

matty_f
10-04-2010, 10:01 PM
When is he going to start then Matty?

He's got to get this pre-season, IMHO.

So far he's come in part way through a pre-season, and has given the squad the chance to prove themselves.

He tried to get better players in through the Jan window but wasn't able to, and rather than buying for the sake of buying, has stuck out til he can get who he wants to get.

This pre-season will make or break Yogi, but he HAS to be given it, IMHO.

sleeping giant
10-04-2010, 10:10 PM
He's got to get this pre-season, IMHO.

So far he's come in part way through a pre-season, and has given the squad the chance to prove themselves.

He tried to get better players in through the Jan window but wasn't able to, and rather than buying for the sake of buying, has stuck out til he can get who he wants to get.

This pre-season will make or break Yogi, but he HAS to be given it, IMHO.

Spot on IMO.

I'm as pissed off as everyone else but i agree 100% with that post .

sixtwo
10-04-2010, 10:12 PM
Why must he be given to pre season?

He's lucky he has got this far! Do you think any manager worth their salt would have deeks in midfield with nish up front? Deeks workrate is laughable, I hve watched him as long as you have and i bet neither of us have seen him dribble past a man or put in a great sliding tackle. He is not a midfielder, he is a wonderful striker!

Yogi is a ****ing fool. I was willing to give him time. I have tried to back him. I have hoped over and over again that he would get it right but he is a total clown.

If we were playing well but being kicked off the ball and losing games in the way we were under mowbray I'd be willing to give him time to get it right but we have a team that look dissinterested and unwilling to play together. I honestly believe a few of them hate each other.

They cannot even do the basics.

DUFC have average players but are really good as a unit. Motherwell are the same. Hearts will catch us if he doesn't sort it out!

I reckon we should give him a fortnight, if there is no wins, he can do the noble thing and fall on his sword!

hibsdaft
10-04-2010, 10:35 PM
thing is that Yogi and JC both have the same problem don't they? okay one put more onus on fitness and maturity but neither has had it from the players.

sixtwo
10-04-2010, 10:41 PM
JC had buttons to spend and won a cup


Yogi got money to spend and ****ed it up


It is more fair to compare yogi with mixu. Both were ex players making the step up. Both had a few pennies to spend. Both had their ups and downs. Both had the fans calling for their heads for under achieving! Come to think about it, I don't remember getting humiliated by hamilton or st johnstone under anyone else apart from yogi!

We should have some standards. Yogi has fallen short of any standards I'd set for my club!

col02
10-04-2010, 10:46 PM
He's got to get this pre-season, IMHO.

So far he's come in part way through a pre-season, and has given the squad the chance to prove themselves.

He tried to get better players in through the Jan window but wasn't able to, and rather than buying for the sake of buying, has stuck out til he can get who he wants to get.

This pre-season will make or break Yogi, but he HAS to be given it, IMHO.

You know as well as I do that once certain sections of our support withdraw their backing there is no coming back from that. Supposing the big man signs a few quality players in close season and has Hibs playing good come the start of next season there will always be people waiting in the wings quietly till the team has a wobble to shoot them down. My hope is there is enough rational people within the Hibs support that stick with it.

matty_f
10-04-2010, 11:01 PM
You know as well as I do that once certain sections of our support withdraw their backing there is no coming back from that. Supposing the big man signs a few quality players in close season and has Hibs playing good come the start of next season there will always be people waiting in the wings quietly till the team has a wobble to shoot them down. My hope is there is enough rational people within the Hibs support that stick with it.

:agree: There are folk who post on here that have had the knives out for Yogi the first opportunity they had, so if Yogi's not got it sorted by the start of next season then he'll be in for a very tough time.

That said, it's his team from next season, IMHO. He'll have had time to assess, coach, and replace the players in the squad that each applies to, and so he'll live or die by how it goes next season.

sixtwo
10-04-2010, 11:12 PM
What if he wastes our budget on tripe and continues in this dire run of form?

The new manager then has to pick up the pieces and then wheel and deal in the january window.

Na, give him two games. If he can win against the huns or yams and show for the rest of the season he has the skill to get the best out of his players and the ability to get them challenging with the best in this league, then he can get another chance! If he cannot get us playing then he has to admit he has failed. He does not have the excuses of other managers who were not backed by the board.


Personally, I'm fed up, I have a season ticket but never went to the last two home games because other things came up that seemed more importatnt. I'll probably miss the huns game and go to the hearts game if it is on the saturday!
That is how I feel about the team now. I am fed up, apathetic, bored, dissinterested, and a wee bit annoyed by yogi and the team!

chrisski33
10-04-2010, 11:14 PM
who cares about jc or anyother ex managers and wud it be better if they were here or if they were right or not! Remember collins walked out on hibs when the going got tough and wasnt going his way! Lets worry about how yogi is going to turn it around!

sixtwo
10-04-2010, 11:24 PM
JC walked out because he was ordered to sell ****ing millions of pounds worth of players and was not allowed to bring in a cheap replacement!

JC done more in 6 months than many managers have done in years at easter road.

Why talk about how yogi is going to change it? Fans have been highlighting his failings for months but the stubborn one chooses to do it his way. Fair enough, he is entitled to do it his way but if it goes wrong, like it has done, he has to take responsibility for his stubborness!

time for a change

Put it this way. We will have a new stand to fill. We will have targets for season ticket sales. If we are offered this dross week in week out, there will be very few renewing their tickets!

That is what will decide yogis future!

People here are naturally comparing the present manager with ones who have gone before him in a bid to determine how he has faired!

HibbiesandtheBaddies
10-04-2010, 11:41 PM
Why must he be given to pre season?

He's lucky he has got this far! Do you think any manager worth their salt would have deeks in midfield with nish up front? Deeks workrate is laughable, I hve watched him as long as you have and i bet neither of us have seen him dribble past a man or put in a great sliding tackle. He is not a midfielder, he is a wonderful striker!

Yogi is a ****ing fool. I was willing to give him time. I have tried to back him. I have hoped over and over again that he would get it right but he is a total clown.

If we were playing well but being kicked off the ball and losing games in the way we were under mowbray I'd be willing to give him time to get it right but we have a team that look dissinterested and unwilling to play together. I honestly believe a few of them hate each other.

They cannot even do the basics.

DUFC have average players but are really good as a unit. Motherwell are the same. Hearts will catch us if he doesn't sort it out!

I reckon we should give him a fortnight, if there is no wins, he can do the noble thing and fall on his sword!



Can I just stop this pish right here.... That wonderful striker did not get a kick at the ball when played as a striker for the last 30 minutes against St Mirren at Easter Road earlier in the season. St Mirren.... a couple of big huddy centre backs who brushed Deeks off the ball without a second thought. If you want to play Deek up front you would need an O'Connor or a Killen to partner him. Stokes and Nish are not those types of players.

sixtwo
10-04-2010, 11:52 PM
In that case drop him?

I don't disagree that he was poor in that game but is it correct to judge him on 30 mins?

How many goals has deeks got for hibs?

He is a bawhair away from being a legend for this club. He gets goals. Play him up front. It is not ****ing rocket science!

Why play him in midfield? It wastes a place in midfield. He is not a midfielder. Would you be happy to see him played at right back? It's the same thing. I's a total waste. He is like a fish out of water and our midfield has to play like we have had a man sent off!

It is a ****ing shambles.

matty_f
10-04-2010, 11:58 PM
In that case drop him?

I don't disagree that he was poor in that game but is it correct to judge him on 30 mins?

How many goals has deeks got for hibs?

He is a bawhair away from being a legend for this club. He gets goals. Play him up front. It is not ****ing rocket science!

Why play him in midfield? It wastes a place in midfield. He is not a midfielder. Would you be happy to see him played at right back? It's the same thing. I's a total waste. He is like a fish out of water and our midfield has to play like we have had a man sent off!

It is a ****ing shambles.

FWIW, I hate seeing Deek in midfield, because I think that he offers very little in that position other than his goals (which is quite a lot to be dismissive off, given the sheer number of them that he's scored this season).

I think having Deek at left mid upsets the balance of the team, it gives the two central midfielders too much to do, and leaves the left back with a lot to do.

That said, what's the alternative? I can understand why Yogi plays Deek there because while he's not the most effective midfielder in the world, he'll get you goals.

Yogi's alternative is to play another ineffective midfielder there and do without the goals.

HibbiesandtheBaddies
10-04-2010, 11:59 PM
In that case drop him?

I don't disagree that he was poor in that game but is it correct to judge him on 30 mins?

How many goals has deeks got for hibs?

He is a bawhair away from being a legend for this club. He gets goals. Play him up front. It is not ****ing rocket science!

Why play him in midfield? It wastes a place in midfield. He is not a midfielder. Would you be happy to see him played at right back? It's the same thing. I's a total waste. He is like a fish out of water and our midfield has to play like we have had a man sent off!

It is a ****ing shambles.

The answer is to allow Yogi the Summer transfer window to bring in what he needs to allow his best assets to play to their potential.

Dashing Bob S
11-04-2010, 12:02 AM
Come back J.C. you were right.

Collins wanted to make the land of Chick Charnley, Andy Ritchie, Ally McLeod and Derek Riordan into a place where everyone crossed themselves, kissed mama, and went to bed at nine o' clock every night, watching the Med sunset.

He then threw the toys out the pram because he couldn't single-handedly change centuries of a nation's culture in ten minutes.

Hughes wants to go to exactly the same destination as JC, but I think he knows its a rocky road to get to that destination and you have to box clever. I believe come summer we shall see the ruthless side of Hughes emerge and there will be a massive clear out, and many of us will get a shock as to who actually leaves.

All this 'arm round the shoulder' stuff will go. Those who underestimated Yogi as a joker, a buffoon, will get a big fright when they contemplate life at Dunfermline, Raith Rovers and Airdrie, en route for East Fife, Stirling Albion and Annan Athletic, en route for the dole and a lifetime of drunken befuddlement in the less salubrious bars of Leith Walk.

If it's them or him, and the players seem to have made it into a contest, and there will only be one winner. If they think otherwise, they are absolutely deluding themselves. John Hughes can't come out and slag them off while we're in contention for Europe - that would really be the playing to the gallery some fans wrongly accuse him of- but they will be down the road in the summer. Everything about Hughes as a player and manager has shown that underestimating him is absolute folly.

They should enjoy the George Street sessions while they last, because some of them will soon be in the Walk, boring other jakeys with 'what might have been' tales. Anybody who thinks that will also be Yogi's fate is way, way wide of the mark. Whatever he says in public, the players have let him down badly, and they will pay the price.

HibbiesandtheBaddies
11-04-2010, 12:08 AM
Collins wanted to make the land of Chick Charnley, Andy Ritchie, Ally McLeod and Derek Riordan into a place where everyone crossed themselves, kissed mama, and went to bed at nine o' clock every night, watching the Med sunset.

He then threw the toys out the pram because he couldn't single-handedly change centuries of a nation's culture in ten minutes.

Hughes wants to go to exactly the same destination as JC, but I think he knows its a rocky road to get to that destination and you have to box clever. I believe come summer we shall see the ruthless side of Hughes emerge and there will be a massive clear out, and many of us will get a shock as to who actually leaves.

All this 'arm round the shoulder' stuff will go. Those who underestimated Yogi as a joker, a buffoon, will get a big fright when they contemplate life at Dunfermline, Raith Rovers and Airdrie, en route for East Fife, Stirling Albion and Annan Athletic, en route for the dole and a lifetime of drunken befuddlement in the less salubrious bars of Leith Walk.

If it's them or him, and the players seem to have made it into a contest, and there will only be one winner. If they think otherwise, they are absolutely deluding themselves. John Hughes can't come out and slag them off while we're in contention for Europe - that would really be the playing to the gallery some fans wrongly accuse him of- but they will be down the road in the summer. Everything about Hughes as a player and manager has shown that underestimating him is absolute folly.

They should enjoy the George Street sessions while they last, because some of them will soon be in the Walk, boring other jakeys with 'what might have been' tales. Anybody who thinks that will also be Yogi's fate is way, way wide of the mark. Whatever he says in public, the players have let him down badly, and they will pay the price.

I concur.

Kaiser1962
11-04-2010, 12:12 AM
Yeah, bring back Clayton Donaldson as well!

Was that deal not done and dusted by Mowbray?

Judas Iscariot
11-04-2010, 12:14 AM
Yeah, bring back Clayton Donaldson as well!

And Patrick Noubissie, Thierry Gathuessi, Brian Kerr, Abdel Zarabi, Alan O'brien, Thomas showunmi, Filipe Morais and Maka.. Oh wait he's still here..

Plus, if JC was back Wotherspoon will have been a seasoned centre half by now..

Fantic
11-04-2010, 12:14 AM
the less salubrious bars of Leith Walk.

.[/QUOTE]

Care to elaborate. It's the shore now.

Kaiser1962
11-04-2010, 12:18 AM
I think the pitches are to blame for a lot of our ills. Most resemble ploughed field and dont suit our style of play. Our dip in form has coincided with the worst winter in 30 year.

PapillonVert
11-04-2010, 12:20 AM
Collins wanted to make the land of Chick Charnley, Andy Ritchie, Ally McLeod and Derek Riordan into a place where everyone crossed themselves, kissed mama, and went to bed at nine o' clock every night, watching the Med sunset.

He then threw the toys out the pram because he couldn't single-handedly change centuries of a nation's culture in ten minutes.

Hughes wants to go to exactly the same destination as JC, but I think he knows its a rocky road to get to that destination and you have to box clever. I believe come summer we shall see the ruthless side of Hughes emerge and there will be a massive clear out, and many of us will get a shock as to who actually leaves.

All this 'arm round the shoulder' stuff will go. Those who underestimated Yogi as a joker, a buffoon, will get a big fright when they contemplate life at Dunfermline, Raith Rovers and Airdrie, en route for East Fife, Stirling Albion and Annan Athletic, en route for the dole and a lifetime of drunken befuddlement in the less salubrious bars of Leith Walk.

If it's them or him, and the players seem to have made it into a contest, and there will only be one winner. If they think otherwise, they are absolutely deluding themselves. John Hughes can't come out and slag them off while we're in contention for Europe - that would really be the playing to the gallery some fans wrongly accuse him of- but they will be down the road in the summer. Everything about Hughes as a player and manager has shown that underestimating him is absolute folly.

They should enjoy the George Street sessions while they last, because some of them will soon be in the Walk, boring other jakeys with 'what might have been' tales. Anybody who thinks that will also be Yogi's fate is way, way wide of the mark. Whatever he says in public, the players have let him down badly, and they will pay the price.

I hope you are right, DBS.

Actually, I can see that the Board will want to get right behind the Manager - it's madness to assume we can have a new manager every season - and if that means laying down the law as to what the Manager (and Club) will tolerate in terms of player behaviour, then I am right behind the Club & manager.

Bring it on.

sixtwo
11-04-2010, 12:25 AM
FWIW, I hate seeing Deek in midfield, because I think that he offers very little in that position other than his goals (which is quite a lot to be dismissive off, given the sheer number of them that he's scored this season).

I think having Deek at left mid upsets the balance of the team, it gives the two central midfielders too much to do, and leaves the left back with a lot to do.

That said, what's the alternative? I can understand why Yogi plays Deek there because while he's not the most effective midfielder in the world, he'll get you goals.

Yogi's alternative is to play another ineffective midfielder there and do without the goals.


Or he could give galbraith a chance and put deeks upfront and put nish on the bench


or he could shuffle the pack at the back and push Murray into left mid and push deeks upfront!

It's not difficult matty. He is wasting a midfield place and wasting a very good striker! His ignorance is staggering! He should **** off!

chrisski33
11-04-2010, 12:28 AM
JC walked out because he was ordered to sell ****ing millions of pounds worth of players and was not allowed to bring in a cheap replacement!

JC done more in 6 months than many managers have done in years at easter road.

Why talk about how yogi is going to change it? Fans have been highlighting his failings for months but the stubborn one chooses to do it his way. Fair enough, he is entitled to do it his way but if it goes wrong, like it has done, he has to take responsibility for his stubborness!

time for a change

Put it this way. We will have a new stand to fill. We will have targets for season ticket sales. If we are offered this dross week in week out, there will be very few renewing their tickets!

That is what will decide yogis future!

People here are naturally comparing the present manager with ones who have gone before him in a bid to determine how he has faired!

we will see how he fairs at the end of the season not by how others have gone before him. he has different players than what collins had so you cant judge yogi to collins.
what did collins achieve in 6mnths apart from winning the diddy cup (with mowbrays team arguably)? collins couldnt handle the heat and walked out. having to sell some players was just an excuse for why he left.

why talk about how yogi is gonna change things? because he is our current manager thats why! talking about how ex managers would have done things is pointless! if jc ways worked they would have worked when he was in charge and why isnt he managing a club now?

chrisski33
11-04-2010, 12:29 AM
I think the pitches are to blame for a lot of our ills. Most resemble ploughed field and dont suit our style of play. Our dip in form has coincided with the worst winter in 30 year.

lol lets blame the pitches!!! :thumbsup:

Fantic
11-04-2010, 12:31 AM
we will see how he fairs at the end of the season not by how others have gone before him. he has different players than what collins had so you cant judge yogi to collins.
what did collins achieve in 6mnths apart from winning the diddy cup (with mowbrays team arguably)? collins couldnt handle the heat and walked out. having to sell some players was just an excuse for why he left.

why talk about how yogi is gonna change things? because he is our current manager thats why! talking about how ex managers would have done things is pointless! if jc ways worked they would have worked when he was in charge and why isnt he managing a club now?

:rolleyes:

matty_f
11-04-2010, 12:32 AM
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Or he could give galbraith a chance and put deeks upfront and put nish on the bench


or he could shuffle the pack at the back and push Murray into left mid and push deeks upfront!

It's not difficult matty. He is wasting a midfield place and wasting a very good striker! His ignorance is staggering! He should **** off!

Or maybe he's looked at that option and doesn't think Galbraith's ready for that just yet?

Maybe he's considered Murray at left mid, but the thought of Stevenson at left back every week gives him sleepless nights?

I think it is difficult. I think we're missing quality in maybe 4 or 5 positions which is massively hampering the team just now, and what we're seeing and have seen over the season is Yogi trying to find the most effective way of playing these guys.

yekimevol
11-04-2010, 12:32 AM
yeh bring back jc, lets get all his pals back as well the likes of obrien, donaldson, joneleit, kerr and put maka back in goals. no thanks i'll take mixu back before him. :bitchy::bitchy::bitchy::bitchy::bitchy:

Dalkeith
11-04-2010, 12:32 AM
lol lets blame the pitches!!! :thumbsup:

same for both teams, hamilton was in pretty good shape today

sixtwo
11-04-2010, 12:34 AM
lol lets blame the pitches!!! :thumbsup:

pitches are not important to us just now. we play like hearts. total hoofball that makes your neck sore. the ball is rarely on the deck when we play

Fantic
11-04-2010, 12:36 AM
There's a funny spell about here.

chrisski33
11-04-2010, 12:36 AM
pitches are irrellevant to us just now. we play like hearts. total hoofball that makes your neck sore. the ball is rarely on the deck when we play

ffs i know i was having a laugh at keisers comment if you read further up the posts!

sixtwo
11-04-2010, 12:39 AM
I meant to quote his post. keep it in yer pants:greengrin

Bookkeeper
11-04-2010, 12:44 AM
Collins wanted to make the land of Chick Charnley, Andy Ritchie, Ally McLeod and Derek Riordan into a place where everyone crossed themselves, kissed mama, and went to bed at nine o' clock every night, watching the Med sunset.

He then threw the toys out the pram because he couldn't single-handedly change centuries of a nation's culture in ten minutes.

Hughes wants to go to exactly the same destination as JC, but I think he knows its a rocky road to get to that destination and you have to box clever. I believe come summer we shall see the ruthless side of Hughes emerge and there will be a massive clear out, and many of us will get a shock as to who actually leaves.

All this 'arm round the shoulder' stuff will go. Those who underestimated Yogi as a joker, a buffoon, will get a big fright when they contemplate life at Dunfermline, Raith Rovers and Airdrie, en route for East Fife, Stirling Albion and Annan Athletic, en route for the dole and a lifetime of drunken befuddlement in the less salubrious bars of Leith Walk.

If it's them or him, and the players seem to have made it into a contest, and there will only be one winner. If they think otherwise, they are absolutely deluding themselves. John Hughes can't come out and slag them off while we're in contention for Europe - that would really be the playing to the gallery some fans wrongly accuse him of- but they will be down the road in the summer. Everything about Hughes as a player and manager has shown that underestimating him is absolute folly.

They should enjoy the George Street sessions while they last, because some of them will soon be in the Walk, boring other jakeys with 'what might have been' tales. Anybody who thinks that will also be Yogi's fate is way, way wide of the mark. Whatever he says in public, the players have let him down badly, and they will pay the price.


If yogi still has the will to win he had as a player then yes, some players are in for a fright this summer. The "everybodys best pal" act is wearing a bit thin, but I think it will go once he gets a harder group of players in the squad.

Kaiser1962
11-04-2010, 12:52 AM
lol lets blame the pitches!!! :thumbsup:

lol

sahib
11-04-2010, 12:57 AM
I am no John Hughes fan but he is a much, much better manager than JC. Have you all forgotten the pathetic press conference with his pal feeding him the answers from behind an apple - that was an embarrassment to the club? Collins did get the squad to pull together and show team spirit and fight; unfortunately it was all directed towards him. I could carve a better manager out of a banana.

Iain G
11-04-2010, 01:29 AM
JC walked out because he was ordered to sell ****ing millions of pounds worth of players and was not allowed to bring in a cheap replacement!

JC done more in 6 months than many managers have done in years at easter road.

Why talk about how yogi is going to change it? Fans have been highlighting his failings for months but the stubborn one chooses to do it his way. Fair enough, he is entitled to do it his way but if it goes wrong, like it has done, he has to take responsibility for his stubborness!

time for a change

Put it this way. We will have a new stand to fill. We will have targets for season ticket sales. If we are offered this dross week in week out, there will be very few renewing their tickets!

That is what will decide yogis future!

People here are naturally comparing the present manager with ones who have gone before him in a bid to determine how he has faired!

Good to see you have mastered the use of the exclamation mark! Now try for mastery of the use of the full stop. :wink::greengrin

Iain G
11-04-2010, 01:32 AM
I am no John Hughes fan but he is a much, much better manager than JC. Have you all forgotten the pathetic press conference with his pal feeding him the answers from behind an apple - that was an embarrassment to the club? Collins did get the squad to pull together and show team spirit and fight; unfortunately it was all directed towards him. I could carve a better manager out of a banana.

Sorry mate, but in all fairness thats rubbish, Collins won us our first trophy in years and gave a lot of us one of our finest days at Hampden and you focus on that daft press conference?? :confused:

noseyhibby
11-04-2010, 02:02 AM
Collins wanted to make the land of Chick Charnley, Andy Ritchie, Ally McLeod and Derek Riordan into a place where everyone crossed themselves, kissed mama, and went to bed at nine o' clock every night, watching the Med sunset.

He then threw the toys out the pram because he couldn't single-handedly change centuries of a nation's culture in ten minutes.

Hughes wants to go to exactly the same destination as JC, but I think he knows its a rocky road to get to that destination and you have to box clever. I believe come summer we shall see the ruthless side of Hughes emerge and there will be a massive clear out, and many of us will get a shock as to who actually leaves.

All this 'arm round the shoulder' stuff will go. Those who underestimated Yogi as a joker, a buffoon, will get a big fright when they contemplate life at Dunfermline, Raith Rovers and Airdrie, en route for East Fife, Stirling Albion and Annan Athletic, en route for the dole and a lifetime of drunken befuddlement in the less salubrious bars of Leith Walk.

If it's them or him, and the players seem to have made it into a contest, and there will only be one winner. If they think otherwise, they are absolutely deluding themselves. John Hughes can't come out and slag them off while we're in contention for Europe - that would really be the playing to the gallery some fans wrongly accuse him of- but they will be down the road in the summer. Everything about Hughes as a player and manager has shown that underestimating him is absolute folly.

They should enjoy the George Street sessions while they last, because some of them will soon be in the Walk, boring other jakeys with 'what might have been' tales. Anybody who thinks that will also be Yogi's fate is way, way wide of the mark. Whatever he says in public, the players have let him down badly, and they will pay the price.

:top marks

Aitchy
11-04-2010, 09:44 AM
Yves Ma-Kalambay, Thierry Gathuessi, Mickael Antoine-Curier, Clayton Donaldson, Torben Joneleit, Alan O'Brien, need I go on? Collins was an absolute joke of a manager.

GlesgaeHibby
11-04-2010, 10:02 AM
Yves Ma-Kalambay, Thierry Gathuessi, Mickael Antoine-Curier, Clayton Donaldson, Torben Joneleit, Alan O'Brien, need I go on? Collins was an absolute joke of a manager.

Spend peanuts, you get monkeys.

Collins had the team fitter than any Hibs team I've ever seen. He had us playing football the correct way, on the deck.

His philosophies were spot on, it's our loss that he was stabbed in the back by some prima donnas who couldn't be bothered having to work hard for their wage, and a board that wouldn't release funds after selling 9m of players in one season. No other manager in recent history has lost 9m worth of players in the one season and been given buttons to replace them.

DH1875
11-04-2010, 11:53 AM
:faf::faf::faf:. Never herd so much crap. Take JC back? Not on your life.

SalfordHibs
11-04-2010, 12:00 PM
JC was pish:bitchy:

Aye JC was pish right enough eh :bitchy: Brought us a cup, had us playing good football, players in their right positions, changed things when it wasn't going our way, used subs in the correct manner.

Maybe if our board backed him like they did Yogi eh

Iain G
11-04-2010, 12:14 PM
Yves Ma-Kalambay, Thierry Gathuessi, Mickael Antoine-Curier, Clayton Donaldson, Torben Joneleit, Alan O'Brien, need I go on? Collins was an absolute joke of a manager.

That the same Antoine-Curier who played against us for Hamilton yesterday? :confused:

The "joke of a manager" won us the League Cup, wish Yogi was as much of a joke...

sesoim
11-04-2010, 12:45 PM
Aye JC was pish right enough eh :bitchy: Brought us a cup, had us playing good football, players in their right positions, changed things when it wasn't going our way, used subs in the correct manner.

Maybe if our board backed him like they did Yogi eh


He also had guided us on two awful league runs from Feb-May and Oct-Dec 2007, culminating in him leaving. He might not have been given the money Hughes has been given, but he did win the Cup (and lose a lot of games) with multi-million pound players like Brown, Murphy, Whittaker, Fletcher and other good players like Jones, Zemamma, Sproule and so on.

Frankly, Collins, Hughes and Mixu have all been bad appointments, and Petrie needs to get better advice (ie not from thick Hibbies) before appointing the next guy.

GloryGlory
11-04-2010, 12:52 PM
Given the way younger players responded to JC and his ideas, I've often wondered whether his strengths lie in youth development and therefore a post of Director of Youth Development would be far better suited to him.

He's obviously not able to get through to the more "mature" (for want of a better word) "professionals" (again, for want of a better word) who have long since settled into their collective comfort zones of good wage, short hours, turn-up-on-a-Saturday-for-a-gemme of fitba'-and see-how-it-goes, bookies, burdz, pints....

SalfordHibs
11-04-2010, 01:04 PM
He also had guided us on two awful league runs from Feb-May and Oct-Dec 2007, culminating in him leaving. He might not have been given the money Hughes has been given, but he did win the Cup (and lose a lot of games) with multi-million pound players like Brown, Murphy, Whittaker, Fletcher and other good players like Jones, Zemamma, Sproule and so on.

Frankly, Collins, Hughes and Mixu have all been bad appointments, and Petrie needs to get better advice (ie not from thick Hibbies) before appointing the next guy.

Brown, Thomson, Whittaker, Fletcher were all home grown talent mate, Murphy and Sproule, Benji, Zouma were brought in by Mogga aswell as Killen, Martis JC gave RP his wishlist knowing fine well what budget he had, RP knocked it back, some players went behind his back which JC wanted out of the club which again RP refused, the players he brought in was only due to the funds he got, dont get me wrong Stokes & Miller are quality but JH had a far better budget from RP than JC, MP or TM did. JC had Hibs at the highest fitness levels aswell.