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krobertson12
18-03-2008, 07:16 PM
Just seen the news about 3 young drivers jailed for racing eachother on a road killing and injurying innocent people. Its very obvious that theres some dangerous drivers out there on the roads, but do you think this story will get people jumping on the band-wagon of restricitons on young drivers?
Speaking as a new driver (passed in october), i would be fuming if some of the proposed restrictions came into effect. these include things like no driving after 8 (i have to pick my sisters up sometimes from their clubs at night!), no passengers in the car (again i do a lot of driving for my family), speed restrictions for 2 years after passing (cant really say why i need to drive at 70 on the motorway except that it means my journeys take much longer if im limited to 50). I personally dont believe drivers as a whole should be punished for the acts of a few (i know the facts and figures make shocking reading, but the reality is its a small percentage of young drivers). What's everyone elses opinion on it all?

Danny_Hibee
18-03-2008, 07:36 PM
If youngsters are breaking the driving laws now what makes people think they're going to stick to the new laws if they are even stricter? :confused:

Young drivers driving too fast, irresponsibly etc. is never going to stop but punishing everyone isn't the best way to deal with it. Best solution is very harsh sentances placed on those who do break the law - no matter what age they are, if you break the law at any age the punishment should be the same and, for dangerous driving, should be very harsh :agree:

CropleyWasGod
18-03-2008, 07:59 PM
Is there to be any restriction on the engine size of the cars? IMHO this is often a problem; new drivers (not just youngsters) learn in 1400 cc cars, and once theyve passed the test jump into 2 litre jobs. Biiiig difference.

krobertson12
18-03-2008, 08:02 PM
i drive a 1.0 micra lol. so engine size isnt really an issue for me!

CropleyWasGod
18-03-2008, 08:04 PM
i drive a 1.0 micra lol. so engine size isnt really an issue for me!

You don't have a girlfriend, do you? :greengrin

AFKA5814_Hibs
18-03-2008, 08:34 PM
Not sure if the proposed new laws are either fair or enforceable. I do agree that tougher sentences are needed for people who kill due to dangerous or careless driving and of course they are not all young folk.

People like this twat, for example.

http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/topstories/Driving-ban--too-harsh.3884383.jp

He's causes an accident which kills two people and leaves a young girl brain damaged, gets a 600 fine and 2 year ban and moans that it's too harsh. :bitchy:

Sick Boy
18-03-2008, 09:20 PM
In Canada, Vancouver anyway, there are restrictions on new drivers. You're not allowed to drive with any passengers unless they are adults. I'm not sure exactly what is classed as an adult though.

As for restrictions over here, I don't know how enforceable they would be. Tougher sentences like in cases like the one highlighted above, would certainly be a start.

Brando7
18-03-2008, 11:11 PM
You don't have a girlfriend, do you? :greengrin

:faf: :thumbsup:

bobbyhibs1983
18-03-2008, 11:19 PM
I feel us young drivers do get a raw deal because of a mindless few
For example for insurance since i am considered an high risk, because of my age people ASSUME i do drugs and drink alchol.I do not touch drugs and drink very very rarely.I do understand that us young drivers are most at risk because of lack of experince.but how are we gonna get experince if we dont drive?
Remeber now the driving test if way harder than say 20years ago.You have the theory test as well.

krobertson12
19-03-2008, 12:09 AM
You don't have a girlfriend, do you? :greengrin

i do at the time of writing. luckly shes blonde, i tell her its the new mercedes :wink:

PC Stamp
19-03-2008, 12:56 AM
I feel us young drivers do get a raw deal because of a mindless few
For example for insurance since i am considered an high risk, because of my age people ASSUME i do drugs and drink alchol.I do not touch drugs and drink very very rarely.I do understand that us young drivers are most at risk because of lack of experince.but how are we gonna get experince if we dont drive?
Remeber now the driving test if way harder than say 20years ago. You have the theory test as well.

I think you'll find your insurance is actually higher because statistically young inexperienced drivers have more accidents than older more experienced ones. That's what no claims bonus is all about. If you prove to be a safe reliable driver your premium comes down as a result. :wink:

blaikie
19-03-2008, 02:29 AM
m8 of mine has a matiz over a thousand quid to insurance it :bitchy: cars not even a 1.0 :greengrin 800cc :cool2: Insurance companies charge too high for young drivers what about these old coffin dodgers in there 80s :greengrin are they charged at a higher rate than the avrage :confused:

Lucius Apuleius
19-03-2008, 07:31 AM
m8 of mine has a matiz over a thousand quid to insurance it :bitchy: cars not even a 1.0 :greengrin 800cc :cool2: Insurance companies charge too high for young drivers what about these old coffin dodgers in there 80s :greengrin are they charged at a higher rate than the avrage :confused:


No, because they statistically have less accidents than you young nappy dodgers.

CropleyWasGod
19-03-2008, 09:26 AM
i do at the time of writing. luckly shes blonde, i tell her its the new mercedes :wink:

And I'll bet she tells you size doesnt matter :greengrin

bobbyhibs1983
19-03-2008, 09:31 AM
I think you'll find your insurance is actually higher because statistically young inexperienced drivers have more accidents than older more experienced ones. That's what no claims bonus is all about. If you prove to be a safe reliable driver your premium comes down as a result. :wink:

ye thats what i said.I feel there needs to be good trianing scheme of some sort for us new drivers.I ve heard of this "pass plus" thing, and dunno much if anything bout it?
I think also why insurance is so high is because they think ALL young drivers do drugs and drink and drive,witch i think is tottally unfair.As a young driver myself(24)i dont drink mcuh alchol(wont touch it at all if im gonna drive)and am totally against drugs.
So i reckon ALL new drivers,regardless of age should be put through a learning term or something.I think something with a low cost and value to new driivers would help new drivers that driving to excess speed does hurt and kill people.

Lucius Apuleius
19-03-2008, 10:18 AM
ye thats what i said.I feel there needs to be good trianing scheme of some sort for us new drivers.I ve heard of this "pass plus" thing, and dunno much if anything bout it?
I think also why insurance is so high is because they think ALL young drivers do drugs and drink and drive,witch i think is tottally unfair.As a young driver myself(24)i dont drink mcuh alchol(wont touch it at all if im gonna drive)and am totally against drugs.
So i reckon ALL new drivers,regardless of age should be put through a learning term or something.I think something with a low cost and value to new driivers would help new drivers that driving to excess speed does hurt and kill people.


You SURE you are not drunk or or on drugs :greengrin

Sergio sledge
19-03-2008, 10:53 AM
ye thats what i said.I feel there needs to be good trianing scheme of some sort for us new drivers.I ve heard of this "pass plus" thing, and dunno much if anything bout it?
I think also why insurance is so high is because they think ALL young drivers do drugs and drink and drive,witch i think is tottally unfair.As a young driver myself(24)i dont drink mcuh alchol(wont touch it at all if im gonna drive)and am totally against drugs.
So i reckon ALL new drivers,regardless of age should be put through a learning term or something.I think something with a low cost and value to new driivers would help new drivers that driving to excess speed does hurt and kill people.

Thats what the whole Driving Lessons thing is :wink:

Restrictions should be placed on young/new drivers, I've known 3 people who have died in accidents with 18/19 year old guys who are going too fast and doing stupid things. 24% of dangerous driving convictions are drivers aged 20 or under, despite the fact that they account for only 2% of the licensed drivers.... (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4596463.stm) If it means that decent drivers (like myself :wink:) are restricted in order to save some lives, I'm quite happy to accept that. I was a lucky one who had an accident due to speed, but it involved no-one else, and no-one was hurt. I know that if I had been restricted to 45mph, or not allowed to drive after 8pm without an experienced driver, the accident wouldn't have happened. I was being stupid and showing off to my girlfriend.

I think the car engine size thing is a good idea, it happens with car rentals, if the guys (and it generally is guys) are restricted to 1.4 litre engined cars, then I'm sure there would be a reduction.

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19-03-2008, 12:20 PM
Thats what the whole Driving Lessons thing is :wink:

Restrictions should be placed on young/new drivers, I've known 3 people who have died in accidents with 18/19 year old guys who are going too fast and doing stupid things. 24% of dangerous driving convictions are drivers aged 20 or under, despite the fact that they account for only 2% of the licensed drivers.... (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4596463.stm) If it means that decent drivers (like myself :wink:) are restricted in order to save some lives, I'm quite happy to accept that. I was a lucky one who had an accident due to speed, but it involved no-one else, and no-one was hurt. I know that if I had been restricted to 45mph, or not allowed to drive after 8pm without an experienced driver, the accident wouldn't have happened. I was being stupid and showing off to my girlfriend.

I think the car engine size thing is a good idea, it happens with car rentals, if the guys (and it generally is guys) are restricted to 1.4 litre engined cars, then I'm sure there would be a reduction.


:agree: Thinking back to when I passed my test (in the days when you had to have a guy with a red flag walking in front of the car), it occurs to me that modern cars with 1400cc engines are actually a lot faster and more powerful than cars with similar capacity engines of even a few years ago. It's not engine capacity as such, but rather power-to-weight ratio that counts.

Mind you, if the guy driving the car thinks he's The Stig, there's not a lot you can do except keep well away from him. I would have thought that there's an argument for limiting the size and power of vehicle ANY new driver can drive, regardless of his or her age, for a period of say three years. It's hardly a hardship to be told you can't drive certain types of high-powered cars, especially if by doing so you qualify for lower insurance premiums.

You could even extend the limitation period if the driver was found to be involved in an accident caused by his/her own carelessness or recklessness. The classes of vehicle any individual was qualified to drive could be listed on his/her licence. And insurance companies could help by pushing premiums for individual drivers with a record of carelessness or recklessness even higher, while continuing to reward safe drivers.

Breaking the law in regard to driving should be penalised much more severely, IMO. The case AFKA5814 mentions is an example - and we all know of other similar cases. That guy got off very very lightly indeed.


I would have much stricter laws on a whole lot of things -
driving while impaired through drink or drugs
driving without insurance
driving an unsafe vehicle (i.e. one without a current MOT certificate, or one with an obvious problem rendering it unsafe, like broken wipers in a rainstorm)
driving without a licence or driving a class of vehicle you're not qualified to drive
driving while using a mobile phone, or while eating or drinking
driving without due care and attentionI'd argue for automatic confiscation and destruction of the vehicle and an automatic loss of driving licence for the driver pending the court proceedings in all these cases. Losing the wheels is about the only thing that gets through to some folks.

In all cases where people have been hurt or killed, a jail sentence should be a real possibility, as well as in cases of driving while impaired.

Bad Martini
19-03-2008, 12:52 PM
There are more accidents caused by young/inexperienced drivers than ANYONE else on the road.

FACT.

Which is why they are charged more...and by the way, its because of all these accidents (and CLAIMS) that the rest of us pay out more in premiums across the board ... to be fair, YES, the young/inexperienced drivers DO pay the most but this is due to the fact that STATISTICALLY, YOU cause the most bother for the rest of us........................doesny matter whether ye like it or no, its the truth.

Note: I said young / inexperienced - it is not ONLY the youngest of drivers who are slapped big premiums...all NEW drivers (To a point) pay a premium rate....this is because, as I have said, there is more chance, due to the lack of experience, of such a driver having an accident.

I do agree with one of the posters above tho - some of the auldest farts who cannae even see over the steering wheel should be paying 93475983475893475 per year or better still, nae licence :greengrin yeah yeah...controversial...TRUE tho!

ENDOF :na na: :na na:

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(Martini rises in teh popularity stakes with this post, especially via the youngest/inexperienced drivers and the oldest farts on .net) :greengrin

Bad Martini
19-03-2008, 12:53 PM
:agree: Thinking back to when I passed my test (in the days when you had to have a guy with a red flag walking in front of the car), it occurs to me that modern cars with 1400cc engines are actually a lot faster and more powerful than cars with similar capacity engines of even a few years ago. It's not engine capacity as such, but rather power-to-weight ratio that counts.

Mind you, if the guy driving the car thinks he's The Stig, there's not a lot you can do except keep well away from him. I would have thought that there's an argument for limiting the size and power of vehicle ANY new driver can drive, regardless of his or her age, for a period of say three years. It's hardly a hardship to be told you can't drive certain types of high-powered cars, especially if by doing so you qualify for lower insurance premiums.

You could even extend the limitation period if the driver was found to be involved in an accident caused by his/her own carelessness or recklessness. The classes of vehicle any individual was qualified to drive could be listed on his/her licence. And insurance companies could help by pushing premiums for individual drivers with a record of carelessness or recklessness even higher, while continuing to reward safe drivers.

Breaking the law in regard to driving should be penalised much more severely, IMO. The case AFKA5814 mentions is an example - and we all know of other similar cases. That guy got off very very lightly indeed.


I would have much stricter laws on a whole lot of things -
driving while impaired through drink or drugs
driving without insurance
driving an unsafe vehicle (i.e. one without a current MOT certificate, or one with an obvious problem rendering it unsafe, like broken wipers in a rainstorm)
driving without a licence or driving a class of vehicle you're not qualified to drive
driving while using a mobile phone, or while eating or drinking
driving without due care and attentionI'd argue for automatic confiscation and destruction of the vehicle and an automatic loss of driving licence for the driver pending the court proceedings in all these cases. Losing the wheels is about the only thing that gets through to some folks.

In all cases where people have been hurt or killed, a jail sentence should be a real possibility, as well as in cases of driving while impaired.

Correct.

This is the sensible post I should have made on the matter....:agree:

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19-03-2008, 01:14 PM
There are more accidents caused by young/inexperienced drivers than ANYONE else on the road.

FACT.

Which is why they are charged more...and by the way, its because of all these accidents (and CLAIMS) that the rest of us pay out more in premiums across the board ... to be fair, YES, the young/inexperienced drivers DO pay the most but this is due to the fact that STATISTICALLY, YOU cause the most bother for the rest of us........................doesny matter whether ye like it or no, its the truth.

Note: I said young / inexperienced - it is not ONLY the youngest of drivers who are slapped big premiums...all NEW drivers (To a point) pay a premium rate....this is because, as I have said, there is more chance, due to the lack of experience, of such a driver having an accident.

I do agree with one of the posters above tho - some of the auldest farts who cannae even see over the steering wheel should be paying 93475983475893475 per year or better still, nae licence :greengrin yeah yeah...controversial...TRUE tho!

ENDOF :na na: :na na:

:na na:

(Martini rises in teh popularity stakes with this post, especially via the youngest/inexperienced drivers and the oldest farts on .net) :greengrin


Absolutely right, BM. Drivers who've gone on and on into their eighties and are no longer safe should be deprived of their licences or have their licences endorsed to allow them to drive on certain limited types of road.

Nothing worse than meeting Albert and Matilda out for their Sunday excursion down the M8 in their Nissan Sunny, tootling along in the fast lane at 35 miles an hour, and Albert with his reading glasses on.

Especially when you have a couple of 40-tonners behind you heading for Hull with a ferry to catch.... :devil: